Why do you consider DmC better than earlier Devil May Cry games and why do you not?

[Keasar]

There is a lot of people speaking for the DmC game saying that it is good. However, it seems to me the most popular reason is because of the characters and story. Now, as a old time fan of the Devil May Cry series, I won't ever say that the story was really ever held in high regard in any of the games. Its often silly, the characters are hammy as hell etc. etc. but that is not why I played the games. If I wanted a good story, there are much better alternatives out there.

For me, Devil May Cry has always been about its gameplay being one of the best stylish action games that exists. Devil May Cry 4 remains for me the best of the bunch with two characters, both an absolute blast to play with different styles, Dante being improved by being able to select styles on the fly in fights, Nero with his arms to constantly remain in fight. DmC is not that for me. DmC is an alright game but compared to the older titles it suffers a lot in terms of gameplay. Bosses for instance were very weak in contrast for how cool they look, like that Bill O'Reilly copy that looked great but was honestly a very dull fight. The game had color coded enemies that could only be beat with selected few weapons, heavily limiting the combo potentials. My critique about DmC is that it just isn't as fun to play as earlier games. DmC isn't a terrible game, its not "sh'itty" or bad in any way. It is alright. Better than some already established games in the genre (God of War), but I honestly don't think it deserves the Devil May Cry title. If Ninja Theory had made this game without it, I think it could have been more accepted and without the vitriol it gets from the old fanbase since it wouldn't have been compared, it would have stood on its own legs.

Now, what I would like to ask you are these things. Why do you consider DmC better than the older games? Why do you like the older Devil May Cry games over DmC? Would you have liked this game if they had called it anything else like "Demon Punisher", rewritten the names and not been associated with the DMC series?

I ask this because I am curios about it. DmC is a remarkable example where there is such a clash between fans and newcomers like Ive never seen before in a series. I think people should try to understand both sides here which is difficult when everyone just throws insults at each other.

[AK]

vergil definitely better played/designed in DmC

[Shin Dan]

Vergil is a much better designed character than his previous counterpart, though he lacks the ki charging taunt, past that?
DmC was more fun due to the different difficulty, where it turned the combat system into more of an "expressive juggle-fest" than its predecessors.
simply put, it made it easier to pull off advanced combos, and while a lot of people might hate that aspect of it, the devil may cry combat has always been hardcore, so it was only a matter of time before another IP decided to use an "easy mode devil may cry" combat system just to see how much people enjoy it. thus I consider it entirely appropriate that the devil may cry IP beat them to it by making its own "casual mode" game.
it basically puts the expressive combat to the forefront, it dumbs it down a bit, but it's always entertaining to be able to pull off those advanced combos without having to grit my teeth through hours of practice.
it may lack the sense of satisfaction, but i'm glad it's there at all, it really is quite fun, and when I go back, I have a sound enough idea of the combat from the previous games to make pulling off advanced combos in dmc3 or 4 much easier, at the very least, I get a better idea of the timing.

[Kalvix]

Well im yet to play it so I'll give a short answer on what I liked about the old games and what I'm hoping for this one, its 2 things basically.

1. Smooth flowing combat, the games have all have amazing combat which just flows together. A major worry I have is being forced to use certain weapons against certain enemies as it seems like it would ruin the flow.

2. Over the top characters, I just LOVE over the top stuff, played every Metal gear solid game and love them more as they get more bat shiz crazy, same goes for this, a character whos so stupidly over the top badass that he gets run through TWICE in the first game and just pulls the sword out by shoving the hilt thorugh his chest, and faces down gods with a bad pun. Here my main worry is that new dante is going to be a bland character in comparison which for me at least would not only ruin my caring about the character but also the fighting as it made it so much more fun slicing things apart as a complete badass compared to doing it with a character you hate.

[Director Bison]

the main reason i dislike DmC is the fact i feel completely unchallenged during the whole thing

enemy and bosses attacks are ridiculously telegraphed
this wasnt bad Vergil but its just a way easier copy of DMC 3 Vergil
hallow Vergil was better tho

not having any styles or lock on is a huge step back IMO
also i don't like slow strong weapons and fast week weapons
i liked it better when all the weapons were just as good as each other

also devil trigger in this game sucks it takes forever to fill up and goes away in 5 seconds
Vergil's is better at least

as for the story that all a mater of opinion i personally feel this Dante is way too much of an ass

but even tho i have all these complaints i'm not going to say this is a bad game its not
its just not what i wanted out of devil may cry

[Kalvix]

Ok after 2 hours play so far the combat is getting interesting with the devil and angel weapons, although if they end up being the only weapons I'll be sad as they are basically just pulls to me. As for character, dante is nowhere near as awesome as in the others so he has a LOT of work to do (I wouldn't even rank him as cool as nero at this point) and I DEFINITELY don't like how the only look I've got at sparda so far seems to involve him being a weedy guy being constantly sexually harrassed by 2 daemons... (thats certainly what it looked like) somehow I feel the backstory of "super badass daemon who rebelled and destroyed the king of daemons" is a better character than "weedy guy who gets molested by daemons for eternity" dont say if its so but I so hope that ends up being crap and hes actually been doing badass stuff the whole time.

[Keasar]

In my opinion, I think people are missing the point of focusing on the story in the Devil May Cry series. Few of us veterans was hyping the game for its story and if people went into the games expecting anything good they, they would be disappointed every time. Should we discuss it though: I don't think they really improved anything of Devil May Cry with DmC with this change to a more serious and grittier tone (and then also basically just take the story from They Live) for with that they did loose was something that did make the Dante character fun, his absolute sillyness. He wasn't the best written, but he was the most fun, with classic scenes like:
The intro movie for the first mission in DMC3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hykEL-cvszg
How he rides to work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlHY6xRpktk
As "Uncle Dante" getting a new fancy weapon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK6UaPnRYcc
Or just a spontaneous improvisation of Shakespear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSEBAukcHaU

I was never into the overall picture of why something was happening, what I will say though is the trip to whatever was always as entertaining. This new Dante I just can't say I like, not because he has black hair, I couldn't care less about that or how he dress, but he just lacks the personality that was funny about him.

[Vhantera]

The thing is here DMC is a revamp of the series. I feel as though revamps are not meant to be grouped into with its predecessors. Theyre both entirely different games both amazing for their own reasons. I dont think theyre created in order to one up the original game. Its a chance to play/view devil may cry from a different perspective, just because why not?

[111]

DmC - easier, trash story, no skills required to do good combos, bosses are like... 2x Trinity Smash under DT to win.

DMC - harder, better story, mechanics are needed to do combos, better moves, better enemies.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by qxz:

DmC - easier, trash story, no skills required to do good combos, bosses are like... 2x Trinity Smash under DT to win.

DMC - harder, better story, mechanics are needed to do combos, better moves, better enemies.

er... you realise you basically just lied right? the story is better but devil may cry was never about the story, the mechanics are NOT better and its easier, being forced to use certain weapons isn't fun and its so incredibly easy it makes me want to cry. In all the previous devil may cry games you had to know what you were doing to get a SSS rank and the bosses could take practise to beat, in this it throws a S at me in every single level minimum, sometimes SS or SSS, and thats on the highest I can do for my first run

I know technically thats normal but its just WAY to easy, and thats from somebody whos played all the previous ones up to nightmare difficulty as least

[Anthony]

I'm not a fan of japanese style, they thankfully removed that. And the gameplay to me is much better. Plus they made Dante more attractive... also a plus. Overall, the old DMC games annoyed me, and with the reboot the series is in a much better place because of it. If only we can convince capcom to let another company reboot the resident evil series now.... They have mutilated everythign that used to be good about it.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by TonTon:

I'm not a fan of japanese style, they thankfully removed that. And the gameplay to me is much better. Plus they made Dante more attractive... also a plus. Overall, the old DMC games annoyed me, and with the reboot the series is in a much better place because of it. If only we can convince capcom to let another company reboot the resident evil series now.... They have mutilated everythign that used to be good about it.

I thought you lied stuff being Americanised, thats what they did to resident evil, instead of whacky over the top stuff that makes no sense they have added American cinematic crap with less whacky stuff so its got boring and lost all sense of being scary

Same with this really, it use to have amazing character in its completely over the top style (like MGS) now its just another generic slasher. Not a bad one mechanics wise true but its basically god of war but with guns and modern daemons.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by War-Barney:

Originally posted by TonTon:

I'm not a fan of japanese style, they thankfully removed that. And the gameplay to me is much better. Plus they made Dante more attractive... also a plus. Overall, the old DMC games annoyed me, and with the reboot the series is in a much better place because of it. If only we can convince capcom to let another company reboot the resident evil series now.... They have mutilated everythign that used to be good about it.

I thought you lied stuff being Americanised, thats what they did to resident evil, instead of whacky over the top stuff that makes no sense they have added American cinematic crap with less whacky stuff so its got boring and lost all sense of being scary

Same with this really, it use to have amazing character in its completely over the top style (like MGS) now its just another generic slasher. Not a bad one mechanics wise true but its basically god of war but with guns and modern daemons.

they did the exact opposite of americanizing resident evil, its beyond japanese now, everything leon says now sounds like it came out of dragonball z because it is so korny. and its japanese games that love cutscenes, western games keep away from those for the most part except when it is necessary for the story, capcom likes to throw in cutscenes whenever they get a chance. an the reason resident evil isnt scary anymore is because they have given all the chracters too much confidence, and every scare they try to put in is beyond predicatble.

dmc is much better now because dante doesnt look like an anime emo wannabe anymore. asian games are thankfully a dying thing because western games are dominating because they actually take time to think about making it believable within the universe they ahve created, something capcom woudl never consider doing.... simple example green herbs, they arent supposed to exist anymore, they only grew in the arkay mountains and that whole area was nuked, yet you find them all oer the world now for healing. makes 0 sense. they started to revive the series with the outbreak games, but then they canned them and started making zombie games with no zombies. this has nothing to do with trying to americanize the game, because they have done the exact opposite with them. at this point their only hope is to let western companies get licenses to their games to keep making them. which is why i like the new dmc. better story, more believable, and its a non anime character... all big perks

[puzzlefox]

Am I the only one who has noticed that DmC Dante's personality is identical to Cloud's from FFVII? They both go from "I don't care if the world is destroyed, leave me alone" to "yeah, let's be all badass and save the world!".. I don't remember anyone hating FFVII for Cloud's personality. So, Dante went from a cornball tacky comedic demon-taunting badass to a cool, collective, cocky demon-taunting badass.. Yeah, let's whine about DmC, meanwhile pretending that if the conversion happened in reverse, you wouldn't be wrecking your comic book collection in a fit of tearful rage.

[Shin Dan]

Originally posted by puzzlefox:

Am I the only one who has noticed that DmC Dante's personality is identical to Cloud's from FFVII? They both go from "I don't care if the world is destroyed, leave me alone" to "yeah, let's be all badass and save the world!".. I don't remember anyone hating FFVII for Cloud's personality. So, Dante went from a cornball tacky comedic demon-taunting badass to a cool, collective, cocky demon-taunting badass.. Yeah, let's whine about DmC, meanwhile pretending that if the conversion happened in reverse, you wouldn't be wrecking your comic book collection in a fit of tearful rage.

Cornball dante was the reason we loved him so much, being so flippant in the face of the most OP serious superdemons in hell was part of the magic of devil may cry.
and the last time he was serious cool collective, people hated it.
this dante does bear the middle ground between the dmc2 and dmc3 dante personalitiees quite nicely though.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by TonTon:

Originally posted by War-Barney:

I thought you lied stuff being Americanised, thats what they did to resident evil, instead of whacky over the top stuff that makes no sense they have added American cinematic crap with less whacky stuff so its got boring and lost all sense of being scary

Same with this really, it use to have amazing character in its completely over the top style (like MGS) now its just another generic slasher. Not a bad one mechanics wise true but its basically god of war but with guns and modern daemons.

they did the exact opposite of americanizing resident evil, its beyond japanese now, everything leon says now sounds like it came out of dragonball z because it is so korny. and its japanese games that love cutscenes, western games keep away from those for the most part except when it is necessary for the story, capcom likes to throw in cutscenes whenever they get a chance. an the reason resident evil isnt scary anymore is because they have given all the chracters too much confidence, and every scare they try to put in is beyond predicatble.

dmc is much better now because dante doesnt look like an anime emo wannabe anymore. asian games are thankfully a dying thing because western games are dominating because they actually take time to think about making it believable within the universe they ahve created, something capcom woudl never consider doing.... simple example green herbs, they arent supposed to exist anymore, they only grew in the arkay mountains and that whole area was nuked, yet you find them all oer the world now for healing. makes 0 sense. they started to revive the series with the outbreak games, but then they canned them and started making zombie games with no zombies. this has nothing to do with trying to americanize the game, because they have done the exact opposite with them. at this point their only hope is to let western companies get licenses to their games to keep making them. which is why i like the new dmc. better story, more believable, and its a non anime character... all big perks

Seriously... dante couldn't look more emo if he tried now, and he spends all his time whining about anything and everything. Old dante didn't give a ♥♥♥♥ and just had fun.

I guess everybody likes different things, personally I love the japanese style of making ridiculous over the top stuff which is completely insane but fun, look at metal gear solid the basis of that game is a giant death robot that shoots several nukes which is being used by geneticly created super soldiers.. it makes no sense and it makes less sense with every game but my GOD is it fun.

Then you look at western games with their very cut and dry style, you always know exactly whats going to happen cos its what has happened in every film in the last 50 years, they just have no imagintion they think everything must be COMPLETELY realistic thus nothing interesting or unexpected ever happens.

Seriously which was the last american game that had the line "nanomachines son" in it.. But as I said some people like super realistic serious games, and some like silly way over the top ridiuclous games, and personally I definitely prefer ridiculous, I get enough reality in real life I play games to have fun.