Is the Definitive Edition really miles better than this?

[Sticky White Stuff]

I bought this game a few years ago with all the DLC, but never played it more than two hours or so because it felt very weird compared to other DMC games. Mainly because of the no-lock on button, but the lack of inertia too.

I heard the Definitive Edition is a really good package and fixes most of the problems this version has. Is this true? If so, should i just ignore this one and pick up the PS4 version for 20€?

Or is this one perfectly fine, with the color coded enemies, no-lock on and other things.
The little time i had with this version didn't feel that positive to me due to floaty combat and movement. I recently replayed all DMC games multiple times for the upcoming DMCV, but despite everything and all the negative feedback this one has. I just can't wrap my mind that it is a bad game. It doesn't feel like one. In fact, it feels like a decent one worth a playthrough or two.
But switching from DMC3 or DMC4 to this just feels weird. Playing as Vergil in DMC4SE is such a joy, but trying Vergil here he feels a bit boring.

I am seriously considering picking the Definitive Edition. But if the difference isn't Night and Day, should i just stick with this version instead?

[DeathWantsMore]

I played both, and honestly I thought just like you that DE is prolly better but ultimately PC version is still can be regarded as full experience so I went with this version instead of DE on PS4.

Game's different than previous installments but you can't deem it as a bad game in any regard.

[Sticky White Stuff]

So no-lock on doesn't pose a big problem in the long run? I also read that Vergil has his own Bloody Palace mode in the DE edition, which is super neat i think.
Maybe i should just play this, then if i fancy the game re-buy it on my PS4 as a DE after i want to replay it. Thanks for the reply.

[DeathWantsMore]

Originally posted by GLUE:

So no-lock on doesn't pose a big problem in the long run?

I never felt that I need one in this game.

Originally posted by GLUE:

I also read that Vergil has his own Bloody Palace mode in the DE edition, which is super neat i think.

It probably is, but it's not a mode you'd play as much as you probably think, you'd rather finish campaign on another difficulty than going into BP again. Just my personal opinion though.

Originally posted by GLUE:

Maybe i should just play this, then if i fancy the game re-buy it on my PS4 as a DE after i want to replay it. Thanks for the reply.

Yep, I'd do just that.

[Sho]

The better you are at the game, the more the Definitive Edition features will appeal to you. It has new gameplay balancing, new difficulty modifiers and a brand new hardest difficulty over Dante Must Die, Must Style modifier. The tweaks they did for Definitive Edition are quite exhaustive.

But if you just want to enjoy the game without digging too deeply into mastering it fully, the standard PC version will still serve you well.

About Vergil, he is not boring if you learn to use him properly. Many high level players prefer using Vergil for this reason.

[Sticky White Stuff]

Originally posted by shomavtos:

The better you are at the game, the more the Definitive Edition features will appeal to you. It has new gameplay balancing, new difficulty modifiers and a brand new hardest difficulty over Dante Must Die, Must Style modifier. The tweaks they did for Definitive Edition are quite exhaustive.

But if you just want to enjoy the game without digging too deeply into mastering it fully, the standard PC version will still serve you well.

About Vergil, he is not boring if you learn to use him properly. Many high level players prefer using Vergil for this reason.

Well, when it comes to DMC games i am usually about mastering them. However i have no knowledge of this one and how it plays. I only tested things for a little bit.

The Definitive Edition really sounds like a neat package. But since i already have the game here, might as well play it and see how i like it. I can always grab the DE edition later on when i get an itch for a replay/doing a 100% run.

[Sticky White Stuff]

Bought it anyway, since i was buying the DMCV Steelbook Deluxe and Sekiro, so why not this.

[Sho]

Nice. I need to get it too when I get a PlayStation.

[Camerooni]

Can't find reasons why definitive wasn't added to PC version? Even as a DLC? Someone know?

[Sticky White Stuff]

I don't, sadly. But this version isn't bad either, apart from lock-on. Color coded enemies are the worst offender, but you will also mostly use the weapons based on their color choice to at least stun them. Auto-lock on works well enough.

However i am happy with my purchase with the Definitive Edition.

[Camerooni]

Thanks GLUE, I have this version, I was just reading that there were apparently some quite extensive patch notes with the definitive edition.. like they made A LOT of small quality of life changes, seems a strange not to have it available to pc, but I guess they didn't see the value in updating the build.. such a shame.. I probably would have paid $5-10 for the definitive edition dlc.

[Sticky White Stuff]

Yeah, if you don't want to shell out another 20€ for a PS4 game, then play this version for sure. It's a good game despite some of its flaws. I enjoyed it almost equally if not equally like all the other DMC. Different for sure, even different "genres", but the core remains the same.

I also think there are some mods to "fix" things here, but no lock-on tho. This should be enough IMO.

[Camerooni]

I don't have a PS4 so that won't be happening :/

Just thinking about starting another playthrough of this one because I don't think I got very far in.. just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something.

Thanks heaps for your help.

[Lethal Placebo]

Originally posted by Camerooni:

Can't find reasons why definitive wasn't added to PC version? Even as a DLC? Someone know?

The common rumor why the DE wasn't released on PC is because a lot of the stuff added into DE were mods for the original PC version. Stuff like non-color coded enemies, faster style degradation, and using Vergil in Bloody Palace were all things modders were able to get into the game before the release of the DE. Maybe Ninja Theory were worried that they'd just be seen as ripping off the hard work of other people. In any case, I do wish the DE were available here on Steam, as I think the game is good.

[Camerooni]

Originally posted by Lethal Placebo:

Originally posted by Camerooni:

Can't find reasons why definitive wasn't added to PC version? Even as a DLC? Someone know?

The common rumor why the DE wasn't released on PC is because a lot of the stuff added into DE were mods for the original PC version. Stuff like non-color coded enemies, faster style degradation, and using Vergil in Bloody Palace were all things modders were able to get into the game before the release of the DE. Maybe Ninja Theory were worried that they'd just be seen as ripping off the hard work of other people. In any case, I do wish the DE were available here on Steam, as I think the game is good.

Oh that is an interesting new path to look into, I didn't realise there were mods for the PC game.. Thanks :)

[Sho]

Originally posted by Lethal Placebo:

Originally posted by Camerooni:

Can't find reasons why definitive wasn't added to PC version? Even as a DLC? Someone know?

The common rumor why the DE wasn't released on PC is because a lot of the stuff added into DE were mods for the original PC version. Stuff like non-color coded enemies, faster style degradation, and using Vergil in Bloody Palace were all things modders were able to get into the game before the release of the DE. Maybe Ninja Theory were worried that they'd just be seen as ripping off the hard work of other people. In any case, I do wish the DE were available here on Steam, as I think the game is good.

That is somewhat true. Ninja Theory have openly acknowledged the influence of mods into the Definitive Edition, but even still there are many features in the game that most of the mods don't cover. And not to mention, its a little bit difficult to find the mods that covers some of the features in the game.

There are also small quality-of-life improvements from the vanilla release, like more extensive button remapping, and having separate mappings for Dante and Vergil.