When is World of Goo 2 coming to Steam?

[Gergely]

This topic is about a useful question that I do not really see people asking.

If you come to this forum for criticism over epic games, or 2D Boy's decision, I assure you there are more suitable places for that.

I fully understand the developer's viewpoint that the good sequel would not exist without Epic's support. However, many players agree that a Steam purchase holds more value than Epic Store or even an independent drm free purchase. Given what I know at the time of writing, I sadly feel compelled to wait until better options become available, isolating myself from related content in the meantime. I did not view the latest trailer and I unsubscribed from every related YouTube channel.

When is World of Goo 2 coming to Steam?

The "no steam deal" lasts around one year usually. I was surprised how many new games on steam were on EGS prior to their appearance. When I discovered World of Goo 2 does the "no steam deal", and given the way it was communicated with considerable latency, I even became worried a certain other indie developer was about to pull the same. He wasn't thankfully.

[max]

Publicado originalmente por DeadlyKitten:

Publicado originalmente por max:

Then I ask you a question of ownership of things, you claim that it's better to not own things and just own permission to use things you supposedly buy. I disagree, full stop, and then I'm trolling again?

The reason you are trolling is not because of the arguments themselves, it is due to the placement of the arguments. If this was a thread about whether steam is good or bad, you would be in the right place. It is not. It is a question about whether this particular game is coming out on steam, and you have will the first page with junk about an argument instead of a real answer.

For Your Information:
The reason Steam is preferred is that many users value convenience quite highly. In this case, the conveniences of 'all my games are in one place' and 'steam provides ratings of what games are good along with discovery of good new games'

If you don't value those, the dev's website is available for you. We still like steam.

FYI: I am not planning on subscribing to this thread, I will not see any response given.

If you'd have bothered reading (maybe you did and this is a problem with comprehension of text?), OP was the one who brought this discussion of if Steam is good or bad, not me, as on top of a legitimate question.
So sorry, but not sorry, if you're going to accuse anyone of trolling try with OP first?
You needn't bother replying too, apparently you can't read, what's the purpose of replying then?

PS. You can still buy directly from developers, relieving them from Steam tax. And add this game to your precious launcher. Absurd idea, I know, but it works.

[Gergely]

Publicado originalmente por max:

If you'd have bothered reading (maybe you did and this is a problem with comprehension of text?), OP was the one who brought this discussion of if Steam is good or bad, not me, as on top of a legitimate question.

I did not bring up a discussion of is Steam good or bad. It was totally you who started arguing. If there is anyone with text comprehension issues it is you, because you seem to completely misunderstand the topic title and description. You also seem to lack the ability to reflect on your own writing. Or you are intentionally trolling.

Publicado originalmente por Gergely:

However, many players agree that a Steam purchase holds more value than Epic Store or even an independent drm free purchase.

You need to understand that me writing this sentence does not automatically mean I intend to start a "steam good or bad" discussion. I was merely justifying the question I asked. If you disagree with the justification, you remember that it is not the focus of the topic and move on.

If you still don't understand, please ask a friend or relative.

[max]

Excuses and deflection is all I see. If you had been interested in when the game is coming to Steam, you'd just leave it at that, but you didn't.

You need to understand that me writing this sentence does not automatically mean I intend to start a "steam good or bad" discussion. I was merely justifying the question I asked. If you disagree with the justification, you remember that it is not the focus of the topic and move on.

How is it clear that it's not the topic you've been driving at?
The topic of when/whether the game coming to Steam can be concluded in a single sentence. Any wording outside of that made it clear of your intentions. You spent 10% of your post on the question and 90% on the argument of why you think license on Steam is better than owning a copy. And then I'm accused of trolling! Bizarro world.

[Gergely]

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Excuses and deflection is all I see.

Funny because that's also all I see and more.

Insults...

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Are you doing comedy standup while not writing on forums?

Publicado originalmente por max:

Something is wrong with you.

Putting words in my mouth...

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you claim that it's better to not own things

Calling people out...

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OP was the one who brought this discussion of if Steam is good or bad, not me

Guess who does the deflecting...

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So sorry, but not sorry, if you're going to accuse anyone of trolling try with OP first?

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You spent 10% of your post on the question and 90% on the argument of why you think license on Steam is better than owning a copy.

Are you absolutely positively sure? Just... read my original post again.

It is clear as day you are intentionally doing this to prolong the argument because you want the argument to continue.

You do not deserve any further response. Whether you accept you are at fault or not, I am following the answerer's lead and not read any further comment you make on this topic. I already got a decent answer to my question, so now I can unsubscribe. I should have done so sooner.

[max]

I'm not insulting when I call out bs. If you take it as an insult, the problem is with you.

Saying that purchases of licenses on Steam are superior to DRM free copies is bs, no matter how you try to spin it. Case in point just today Valve put this popup which you effectively had to agree to continue having access to your licenses (they gave grace period until November, incredibly generous!). Funny that, no? bs is bs, no way around it.

I did not deflect even once, I was always on topic which you created. I stand behind my words, your OP is either about Steam is superior, some developers do things you don't like, EGS, "no Steam deal", "not going to buy until it's on Steam". Your original question was a false pretense to kick of a discussion about how 2D Boy dared to agree to a no Steam deal, and how that other dev barely avoided your wrath. Pathetic.

[Hurricane]

It's OK. I can wait for months or years.

[Birdd]

Just wait for it to go 75% off anywhere, tbh

Not sure if you've even played the first game or watched WoG2 trailer, but the first 45 seconds is filled with near-exact copies of levels from the first game, you're not missing much and definitely shouldn't be supporting that kind of BS by paying full price

[Ray B]

I have it on Steam.
Buy it from the dev directly here: https://worldofgoo2.com/#getitnow
Then Add it to your Steam client using "Add a Game" (lower left)
Add your own artwork. No one will be the wiser.

[Shadowfury]

"In what world owning a license (permission to run) is better than owning a copy?"

Actual answer: convenience. Even more so if you play on steam deck as well.

Sure, you can emulate everything steam offers via 3rd party tools, python scripts and what-not, but you have to go through the hassle of setting up all of it. I don't - I just let steam do its magic without a single worry. That's pretty much it.

I have 3 different desktops, 1 laptop and 1 steam deck at my disposal and I don't even have enough time to play everything I want. If I had to waste any extra time moving around my DRM-free copies of games and saves everytime I moved locations... I'd probably just stop gaming altogether if that were the case.

[ein]

Publicado originalmente por Shadowfury:

"In what world owning a license (permission to run) is better than owning a copy?"

Actual answer: convenience. Even more so if you play on steam deck as well.

Sure, you can emulate everything steam offers via 3rd party tools, python scripts and what-not, but you have to go through the hassle of setting up all of it. I don't - I just let steam do its magic without a single worry. That's pretty much it.

I have 3 different desktops, 1 laptop and 1 steam deck at my disposal and I don't even have enough time to play everything I want. If I had to waste any extra time moving around my DRM-free copies of games and saves everytime I moved locations... I'd probably just stop gaming altogether if that were the case.

This is false choice. There is no reason whatsoever you can't do genuine ownership and forgo the corporate snake rent seeker language, and still use Steamworks and even have DRM. You've never been allowed unlimited rights to distribute or exhibit copyrighted materials. The rules we have now are less restrictive than what we've had in the past owing to case law addressing fair use. Whether this is enforced by the honor system or by software isn't really relevant. You just buy a thing that has DRM in it. The non-ownership we are talking about long precedes any concern within the gaming community. It's been a problem in other media for a long time. Not a single comic book you bought as a kid is actually your property, according to the publishers. You are granted a limited license yada yada inasmuch something something forever throughout the universe.

The only thing to do is outlaw the language, and lock up anyone who tries to get around it by converting single player games into fake live service "experiences," streaming exclusives, and so on. Which they will.

[max]

Publicado originalmente por Shadowfury:

"In what world owning a license (permission to run) is better than owning a copy?"

Actual answer: convenience. Even more so if you play on steam deck as well.

Sure, you can emulate everything steam offers via 3rd party tools, python scripts and what-not, but you have to go through the hassle of setting up all of it. I don't - I just let steam do its magic without a single worry. That's pretty much it.

I have 3 different desktops, 1 laptop and 1 steam deck at my disposal and I don't even have enough time to play everything I want. If I had to waste any extra time moving around my DRM-free copies of games and saves everytime I moved locations... I'd probably just stop gaming altogether if that were the case.

Yes, it's a valid reason for certain point in time. However, it comes with some *, and at some point this convenience becomes an inconvenience.
More than once, having a license on Steam amounted for dead end for me. I have a macbook which I use while traveling, and I wanted to put a game there (I obviously have a way to run it), but you can't download it on the mac client, because reasons.

I'm not saying that Steam is the worst. Most other storefronts are way worse, but that's a very low bar.
GOG is closest to doing it right. And since I'm not buying anything on release anymore I've moved there for most purchases.
This might be funny, but I embraced GOG only after being exposed to sub services (PS in particular). I don't mind picking things up randomly there, and then dropping it if I don't like it. If I do find that I really like something, I wait until it shows up on GOG and purchase a proper copy.
At least for me, this leaves Steam in an odd spot. If Steam won't add either GOG-like service (launcher-free downloads and DRM free games) or a sub service, I definitely see myself stop using it entirely for newer games. I'm not saying that Steam is in trouble (probably not, it's unlikely that most people buy things the same way I do), just that for me Steam offers very little value today.

Finally, I'm not trying to convince you to do this or that, but all that trouble with python scripting is no trouble at all, even if you know exactly 0 python. Today you have ChatGPT which can generate all the scripts you'd ever want by just providing it a prompt.

[Ikagura]

Welp, I've bought WoG 2 on the Switch but thankfully in physical.

[wtdtd]

This thread is about whether or not WoG 2 is coming to steam. Can you lot move the Steam VS Epic VS DRM Free debate somewhere else? I don't care who started it, it doesn't belong here.

[Scott]

Publicado originalmente por max:

And I will repeat the question again:
In what world owning a license (permission to run) is better than owning a copy?

- "On supported platforms" is a meaningless statement. You buy a game on Steam, you can download it on Steam. You buy a game on GOG, you can download it on GOG. Both platforms only sell you a license. The license is meaningless long as you can get the game cracked. As long as that's possible, it's true ownership regardless of platform.

- Forced updates are annoying, sure

- Replace cloud saves with a Python script?? Sure, let me just learn a new programming language and make a bunch of preparations every time I want to switch devices. Or, you know, I could just buy off the platform that isn't garbage.

- If you think third party apps do controller stuff better, you're delusional. Steam Input is the best for it by a landslide.

- A console is not a replacement for a console-like PC. They're built specifically so you own nothing, not to mention you need to buy games twice to own them on both, and you can't transfer your saves. If you care about DRM so much, how is that not extremely obvious to you?

- Steam DRM is not Denuvo. One DRM doesn't affect the end user in any way. The other is online-only. Don't be ridiculous.

- Yes we can all be scared about what might happen, but news flash: GOG ain't gonna save you either. They're there for the money too. It's all about who's more ethical. Steam offers more features, despite taking the same cut from developers as GOG. Simple as.

GOG is a false prophet. They do everything Steam does but worse, barring being DRM-free. If Steam DRM ever became an issue, here's a cool idea! Crack it. It's not a challenge. I'd rather my games have a weak DRM that I can bypass if anything hits the fan than deal with a barely functional storefront with zero Linux support and no more features than you get out of piracy. If you're THAT paranoid and DRM is that big an issue to you, cracked games are always available. Wanna support devs? Steam gives them the same cut while giving you better features. Simple as.

[Ikagura]

Publicado originalmente por Scott:

- Yes we can all be scared about what might happen, but news flash: GOG ain't gonna save you either. They're there for the money too. It's all about who's more ethical. Steam offers more features, despite taking the same cut from developers as GOG. Simple as.

GOG is a false prophet. They do everything Steam does but worse, barring being DRM-free. If Steam DRM ever became an issue, here's a cool idea! Crack it. It's not a challenge. I'd rather my games have a weak DRM that I can bypass if anything hits the fan than deal with a barely functional storefront with zero Linux support and no more features than you get out of piracy. If you're THAT paranoid and DRM is that big an issue to you, cracked games are always available. Wanna support devs? Steam gives them the same cut while giving you better features. Simple as.

I'm sorry but not every game can get cracked (also it's not allowed most of the time) and I'd rather have a natively DRM free program than risking myself a virus by downloading a custom cd-less .exe.