What really happened [warning – massive spoilers!]

[MASTAN]

Do not read until after finishing both games!

Below are the events, what in my understanding really did happen during both games.

Edna & Harvey: The Breakout events:
Everything happened as it was in the first game. Of course the rabbit talked (and walked during tempomorphed events) only in Edna's mind.

In the end Edna choose to push Dr. Marcel down the stairs, threw away Harvey as she understood that he(as part of her mind) was responsible for the death of Dr. Marcel's son which resulted in her father's imprisonment and death. It is unknown what happened to her since.

Edna & Harvey: Harvey’s New Eyes:

Harvey is recovered by Dr.Marcel's staff by the lake and made into hypnotizing doll.

Lilli is a lonely girl with some mental disorder:
- She cannot properly talk (until the third ending)
- Imagines two people: Edna as her best friend and Gerret as the symbol of protection. She heard the story about Edna escaping from asylum some time before, it was the source of this imagination.
- Imagines the gnomes and the pink paint in place of the blood and gore(until she sees the Valley of Uncomfortable Memories). Very much like Pyro in TF2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOnX8qt3I

Mother Superior also has some mental disorder as she congratulates the hanged girl as if nothing have happened.

Dr Marcel sees and understands everything, as he says to Lillli in the end that "other children were accidents", as he saw the reality. He's mad too, but in other ways. He understood that abbess was mentally ill and finally locked her away.

In reality Edna and Gerret do not exist and do not interact with other persons at all. One time we see Gerret shouts at the guy with air hammer, but that guy does not respond because a) there's too much noise(which we presume is the cause of this) and b) Gerret exist only in Lilli's mind. That's why Edna & Gerret don't react to the blood and gore which surrounds them in the 1st chapter - they're part of Lilli's mind and "see" the world the way she does.

During first chapter Lilli kills people – some of them hardly unintentionally(putting bomb in the stove and removing safety pin, unscrewing chandelier), some – unwittingly(termites, falling cross).

Now, how some of the events of the second game could be explained:

- When Lilli fires the gun and the bird drops down(was the bird really there?) the fat boy sees the corpse of the boy eaten by the termites and that's the reason of his fear, not the bird obviously. He just did not look in that direction when he came to the well to burn cobwebs.

- Gerret's truth serum is also only in Lilli's mind. She drops the first cup and we presume she dropped the cup with serum, but in fact it was just the regular tea. And she dropped it because some part of her mind understood this contradiction(abbess would drink tea and nothing would happen) and by dropping it allowed her to resolve it.

- It is unknown if the hidden passageways in the Covenant do really exist. Gerret could not open them, but maybe Lilli discovered them before or just did not use them while imagining otherwise. In the latter case how Lilli could evade abbess and Marcel on the second floor while trying to escape with Gerret?

- Air balloon with Edna's image, Edna's mark on the tree and Edna's book really did exist and were made by Lilli. And her subconsciousness in the form of Edna gave her command to remove these objects before Dr Marcel arrival because there would be contradictions her mind would not want to face.

- After Marcel asks abbess about if she knows girl named Edna the scene ends and we presume she said "yes", while in reality she said "no" and Dr. Marcel made conclusion that Lilli has mental disorder.

- Harvey as the doll in reality does not walk, its just manifestation of the mental blocks in Lilli's mind. First time she pulls his string and is being hypnotized by his eyes. Next times when she swings ball of wool she just hypnotizes herself.

- When Dr Marcel's people in the car are talking about "we finally found the girl" they do not talk about Edna as we presumed, but about Miranya the Medium whom we see later in the asylum.


If you have questions, comments or another opinion please join discussion.

[Nowhere]

Nearly yes. Mostly i am think you are right. But i guess Edna exists AND did meet Lilly. She did know about that place where a note from edna was. (Her secret base.) As well how schould she know how Edna looks? And how schould she know that Doctor Marcel is a "bad" Person?
From that i belive she had meet Edna.

I dont know if we ever see her in the game and until when. (Maybe at the start it was really her?) But i belive she is alive. (At least i hope so, maybe thats why i tried to find reasons for her to be alive.)

Or what you say to that? Gerret is another thing, maybe from a movie. But Edna is "our" Edna. What would you argument for that? =)

[MASTAN]

The Edna's looks how Lilly imagines her are not important. Its just shown to us so that we would know that she is Edna.
Or there was a photo in newspaper about her escape.

Secret base could be Lilly's doing or her imagining things in a regular cave. If I remember correctly there's a pretty good road leading to the cave, so much for the secret base!

About Doctor Marcel as "bad" person - Lilly imagines Edna being her friend and knows the story of Edna's escape from Marcel's clinic, so it would be highly logical that Marcel as enemy to Edna is "bad" person.

About Edna being alive - there is no proof of her death, so we can assume she is alive.
At least Dr Marcel does not know of her being dead, or he wouldn't ask abbess if she knows the girl named Edna.

Of course Edna COULD be passing by the Covenant and COULD meet Lilly one day, but I doubt she would be staying voluntarily under strict Mother Superior's rule. Not what she was looking for after leaving another closed institution!

[Nowhere]

Could be. But why then her? You can give the argument that its because she is the opposite or what she want to be. But that much in a newspaper? I guess that sounds not so "likely".

If i remember it correctly there is a swamp or something? And i guess Lilly never leave her home and so got never to the cave before. So how coud she know from that cave? Even if she imagine the "base" stuff Oo.
She fins that thing for calling the owl there, so at least that must be real.

Here my guess is that Edna lived there and just "somtimes" go up to lilly etc.

Okay that argument counts good =).

Ah good to know that. Yeah i guess that says about that.

Thats why i guess the cave would be really her home and the Covenant is only a place for food and Lilly while she mostly is outside. I mean the rules are looking strict but aside from Lilly. Who does really works with the system? I think mostly they dont care.

I guess it would be possible for edna to life "a side life" and thats where she really was there. But as the games starts she will run and wont be seen until Game 3. ;)
"Edna & Harvey. Save the Childhood" where you play Lilly savin Edna who gets catched by Dr. Marcel :D. And later Edna and Harvey. ^^ (At least i hope it will give a 3 Part. :) )

The facts of Harvey found in the water means she understood that harvey did that to her somehow so she got more "normally" after or totally crazy. I guess she needed to stay to other People and the Place where she lived. She just could not go away as she would the rest of what "she is". So sticking near Lilly, even if that means rules, is a great idea for her.
She could just getting some hold from all that.

Dr. Marcel says in the end its all imagination, true but actually always talks in a way that it seems more like he is control her sanity then really speaking true words. So i think edna never was catched. She just got lost after fleeing from the Covenant. But thats just a guess.

[Alex]

I'd find it funny if edna anr or garrett were real and she left them in the asylum thinking them figments of her imagination for the "Stop" ending.

[julayla18.♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Yeah, after the contradict ending (as of the 2 endings also chosen), the final scene shows only the Asylum at night under the full moon with narration going on before the credits. I mean it looks like they left it ambiguous when Lilli picks either ending either way, no matter what, so it's never really resolved if Edna & Gerret were real or not. Nor does it show what happened after Mother Superior gives Lilli the knife with Harvey. And stuff like that just leaves me even more confused than before.