Why does the "Close to the Bone" riddle not make ANY sense whatsoever? *spoiler*

[GOOD MORNING ASSHOLE]

Well I was trying to solve this riddle without looking at a guide but it doesn't make sense at all. Nothing makes logical sense, here are the quotes that each statue says:

"Mayhem is not in the same room as Havoc. Devastation is in the same room as Chaos." - Statue that is all alone. This statue is Devastaion according to the guide.

These next 2 share a room:
"I am in the same room as Waste. I am neither Mayhem, nor Waste." - This IS Mayhem, even though it explicity says it's NOT.
"I am neither Chaos, nor Havoc. Chaos is neither in my room, nor in Waste's" - This is Havoc, also says it is not.

These next 2 share a room:
"I am either Devastation or Chaos. Waste is in the same room as Mayhem." - This is Waste. Same problem
"Mayhem is alone in his room. Havoc is in this room." - This is Chaos.

How the ♥♥♥♥ could ANYONE figure this out without a guide? Nothing makes sense.

[Raze_Larian]

There is also a note saying the statues lie, or you can find that out mindreading the undead Sassan.

It helps if you write out the corrected clues in shorthand:

M with H. D not with C

2 not D or C. W not with M

M not alone. H not in room with statue 3

4 either C or H. C either in room with statue 4 or W

5 not with W. 5 either M or W.


From there you can start narrowing down the statues:

From the last clue, statue 5 must be M.

From the first clue (M with H), statue 4 must be H.

From the second clue (2 not D or C), statue 2 must be W, since that is the only option left.

From the forth clue (C either in room with statue 4 or W), statue 3 must be C

this leaves statue 1 as D

That is numbering the statues as
1 - near entrance
2 - NW room, NW corner
3 - NW room, NE corner
4 - SW room, S wall
5 - SW room, W wall
(to match the FAQ/guide for the game)

[GOOD MORNING ASSHOLE]

well i never saw the note that said they lied, must've missed it. does the note explicity say which statues lie? if not, i still don't see how it's possible to narrow it down without a guide.

[Raze_Larian]

All the statues lie. As I explained in the spoiler, you can narrow down which statues are which just by the process of elimination.

Logically, from the 5th clue (5 not with W. 5 either M or W), the 5th statue must be Mayhem. From there, look at the other clues and see if that helps identify any other statues.

[GOOD MORNING ASSHOLE]

What does the note actually say, does it say which ones lie, or what they lie about?

Please tell me how you got "2 not D or C. W not with M" from "I am in the same room as Waste. I am neither Mayhem, nor Waste."

I don't understand how you get the clues YOU gave me from the clues THEY gave me. Obviously YOUR clues you can use process of elimination, but I'm not seeing how you get YOUR clues from the ones they give.

Caps used for emphasis, not mad lol.

[Raze_Larian]

The note simply says 'they lie' or 'I solved it, but the statues lied', or something like that. Look for the note on the floor near the entrance.


Statue 5's hints: I am in the same room as Waste. I am neither Mayhem, nor
Waste.

Since the statues lie, you can assume the exact opposite of what they say (otherwise it would be impossible to construct a logic puzzle)

I (5) am in the same room as Waste.
becomes: I am not in the same room as Waste
which shortens to: 5 not with W

I am neither Mayhem, nor Waste
becomes: I am either Mayhem or Waste
which shortens to: 5 either M or W


Statue 1's hints: Mayhem is not in the same room as Havoc. Devastation is in
the same room as Chaos.

M with H. D not with C


Statue 2's hints: I am either Devastation or Chaos. Waste is in the same room
as Mayhem.

2 not D or C. W not with M.


Statue 3's hints: Mayhem is alone in his room. Havoc is in this room.

M not alone. H not in room with statue 3


Statue 4's hints: I am neither Chaos, nor Havoc. Chaos is neither in my room,
nor in Waste's.

4 either C or H. C either in room with statue 4 or W

[GOOD MORNING ASSHOLE]

Ok, it makes sense if you can deduct that "lie" simply means "exact opposite". Thanks for taking the time to explain everything, but even if I had the note I still personally would have never assumed "lie" meant "exact opposite".

Thanks

[Doomerang]

It was hard and made my brain hurt, so I just checked a faq myself. I suck ><

[Singleton]

Originally posted by Raze_Larian:

There is also a note saying the statues lie, or you can find that out mindreading the undead Sassan.

It helps if you write out the corrected clues in shorthand:

M with H. D not with C

2 not D or C. W not with M

M not alone. H not in room with statue 3

4 either C or H. C either in room with statue 4 or W

5 not with W. 5 either M or W.


From there you can start narrowing down the statues:

From the last clue, statue 5 must be M.

From the first clue (M with H), statue 4 must be H.

From the second clue (2 not D or C), statue 2 must be W, since that is the only option left.

From the forth clue (C either in room with statue 4 or W), statue 3 must be C

this leaves statue 1 as D

That is numbering the statues as
1 - near entrance
2 - NW room, NW corner
3 - NW room, NE corner
4 - SW room, S wall
5 - SW room, W wall
(to match the FAQ/guide for the game)

it is correct