Perils of the Warp making Idira useless

[Rizilliant]

I understand when you have a thin veil, but when you have NONE, or barely any, and Idira instantly kills herself, then whats the point of EVER using her?! Shes been nothing but a hinderance in every single combat Ive brought her along! If she cant even use her abilities when the veil degredation is non existent, I am having a hard time bringing her, even for the dialog...

Someone help me understand, and justify her existence please

Edit: Perils of the Warp hit her for 55dmg, but then ALSO Perils of the Warp hit her for 77 Direct Damage, in the same hit?

[Stranger]

Idira can get a Psy rating that gets absolutely ridiculous when she is built right. She has the potential to be the strongest damage dealer in the game. Those drawbacks are only hurdles for the first few levels, through gear and levelling they become inconsequential eventually.

[dwarfpcfan]

Idira is the strongest party member in the game built correctly. There's dozens of videos showing how she can effectively call forth thousands upon thousands of points damage as an area effect through judicious use of items and talents to have her temporarily increase her psy rating and willpower to astronomical levels in combat wiping out entire fights in a single round.

[Nordos/atord]

Psyker starts weak, but can become really strong.
They are a bit of a liability in the early levels, especially with the demons they can summon being static - a Screamer at level 6 hits way different than at level 36.

That said, I still find her pretty useful. Good buffs and debuffs, Lightning can be very useful in certain situations, and even with low level, she can output decent damage.

[Hex]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Idira is the strongest party member in the game built correctly. There's dozens of videos showing how she can effectively call forth thousands upon thousands of points damage as an area effect through judicious use of items and talents to have her temporarily increase her psy rating and willpower to astronomical levels in combat wiping out entire fights in a single round.

I've done over 7k damage with Kibellah in 1 turn on 1 target. Idira isn't worth the hassle.

You could probably do more if you make a bladedancer/executioner yourself and give it pyromancy.

[Roknar]

Idira can do that to half the map.
She is definitely up there with the strongest damage deals.

The part with her dying stay true into the end game though.
It doesn't happen that often though all things considered (even when you encourage perils...which you want for extra psyker levels)

The spells she casts also go through, even when she dies, so you are not missing on whatever spell you tried to cast. It is annoying yes, but she is totally worth it.
Even just her buffs are really strong.

[DoYouEvenMeow]

hmmm I never experience Perils of the Warp to the extend of killing herself instantly though.

[Nordos/atord]

Originally posted by DoYouEvenMeow:

hmmm I never experience Perils of the Warp to the extend of killing herself instantly though.

it is random. Very.

[DoYouEvenMeow]

Originally posted by Nordos/atord:

Originally posted by DoYouEvenMeow:

hmmm I never experience Perils of the Warp to the extend of killing herself instantly though.

it is random. Very.

thx for the knowledge, I have used her as buffer most of the time, btw, is her fatebringer talent fixed? (the giving AP for allies affected by psyker abilities)

[Roknar]

Also, public service announcement.... The spawned demons despawn if you kill the last regular enemy. You don't actually need to fight the demons.

[Rizilliant]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Idira is the strongest party member in the game built correctly. There's dozens of videos showing how she can effectively call forth thousands upon thousands of points damage as an area effect through judicious use of items and talents to have her temporarily increase her psy rating and willpower to astronomical levels in combat wiping out entire fights in a single round.

This is true for any member. Her potential to do good, with her likelihood to kill herself, negates the possible benefit.. Not to mention, summoning powerful demons that attack the party. Argenta wipes out multiple enemies in a single turn.. Hell, even Abelard built for pure defense, can attack 5 or 6 timed per turn.. Not to mention Kibellas insane damage, insane mobility, and decent survivability. The Inquisitor does anything Idira can do, and doesnt have the level penalties to Psy Rating.. the Tech Priest is hitting for high single target damage, nearly comparable to the sniper.. Any companion can do great damage when built well.

Originally posted by DoYouEvenMeow:

hmmm I never experience Perils of the Warp to the extend of killing herself instantly though.

Just happened to me, again, during a boss fight.. Worst possible timing.. It seems to be becoming more common. This time, was the Fabricator on Kiava Gamma, on her 2nd turn she killed herself, and summoned a demon, which immediately took 3 swipes at Argenta

I stopped using her for damage, because of the increases to veil degredation werent worth the damage output..

Originally posted by Nordos/atord:

Psyker starts weak, but can become really strong.
They are a bit of a liability in the early levels, especially with the demons they can summon being static - a Screamer at level 6 hits way different than at level 36.

That said, I still find her pretty useful. Good buffs and debuffs, Lightning can be very useful in certain situations, and even with low level, she can output decent damage.

Level 33 team at this point. She is remaining quite underwhelming. But I did build her more as support.. CC and buffing, as her damage just wasnt worth relying on. Particularly when compared to Argenta, Kibella, asqal, or the Xeno

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

This is true for any member. Her potential to do good, with her likelihood to kill herself, negates the possible benefit

Idira isn't merely "good"[imgur.com]

Look man, you asked for someone to "justify her existence." Everyone, except Hex as per usual, gave you pretty much the same answer.

Do you want to argue or understand?

[Nordos/atord]

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

This is true for any member. Her potential to do good, with her likelihood to kill herself, negates the possible benefit.. Not to mention, summoning powerful demons that attack the party. Argenta wipes out multiple enemies in a single turn.. Hell, even Abelard built for pure defense, can attack 5 or 6 timed per turn.. Not to mention Kibellas insane damage, insane mobility, and decent survivability. The Inquisitor does anything Idira can do, and doesnt have the level penalties to Psy Rating.. the Tech Priest is hitting for high single target damage, nearly comparable to the sniper.. Any companion can do great damage when built well.

Yeah, except, Idira can one-turn most encounters - sure, she needs officers support, but ....
See, Heinrix can NOT do what Idira can, for two reasons:
- he is not unsactioned
- he is not heretical
These two traits allow Idira to equip multiple exclusive items, which allows her to
- increase her psy rating mid combat
- chance to gain action points on attack
- have an increased amount of attacks per turn

This realistically means that, if she doesn't knock herself out, Cassia can giver her a Bring it Down turn where she attacks, with Ignite, on average 4 times, usually generating enough momentum to then let Cassia Finest Hour her (with the Upgrade where the target can't die that turn), and Idira will basically wipe anything she can see/move to. And if there is still something standing and you have a Barrel in her field of view? Well...... Pain Channeling turns that barrel very explosive indeed.

[Roknar]

Also, her damage completely bypasses any defense. You cannot dodge or parry it, she cannot miss, it ignores armour and deflection. Those demons she summons die without her even so much as looking at them, literally (provided the right gear/talents) and she might as well have infinite range. Not even line of sight is always required, because of the above-mentioned thing.

And if she dies? well there is still argenta or whoever else you have...but now with less enemies left and/or some serious buffs. Even with just like 10ish psy rating she annilates the battlefield. So long as she is alive, she is more reliable than any character with a gun and deals considerably more damage than cassia.

[Hex]

Originally posted by Roknar:

Idira can do that to half the map.
She is definitely up there with the strongest damage deals.

That's a straight up lie, or you're using mods. Since she gets nothing from eyes of Jeyous, there isn't enough +pr in the game, not even close.

[Myth Alric]

Her blowing herself up occasionally is just the price you pay. She is actually really strong even in the beginning of the game and even stronger later.

It is kind of the gamer mindset to hoard consumable, so I barely use them. Though if you use them fully you should be able to overcome most fights, even if she blows herself up on the first turn.