Warhammer 40k ship sizes comparisons.

[Marauder]

https://i.imgur.com/zxMELew.jpg

Just a quick example of some ship sizes and why people who know the setting think we should be able to upgrade, or at least be able to build a fleet similar to how we build a party with manually controlled ships.

Yes in theory our ship is "huge", in the setting however it's comparatively tiny. There aren't even Battleships in this list and Battleships aren't the end all. And yes, Rogue Traders have been known to have cruisers, some in the game do, hell some in lore had Grand Cruisers and entire fleets to support them.

[Schlumpsha]

Hm, would be interesting to know if there are ingame size and/or internal layout differences between the Sword, Falchion and Firestorm voidship choices.

[Cathulion]

On top of it our rogue trader has their warrant signed by big E Himself so is one of the original pre-heresy rogue trader dynasties. We really should have a bigger ship

[StarsSapphire]

Would love the option to be able to acquire larger ships (and smaller too for fairness), even if they couldn't be made into a fleet, just cus, but hey, it is what it is, for now.

[Myth Alric]

You are literally the last surviving person in the entire universe with an ounce of blood from the original person, which they finally found after scouring all the world databases to find you. Do you really think that sounds like an epic rogue trader dynasty to you?

The other rogue family has their son as heir, your prior heir had their 415th cousin as their heir. At the start of the story you have never met either of your relatives, nor likely ever even heard of them before.

It makes absolute sense you have a 'small ship' because your family is dead ass broke in Rogue Trader terms.

[Elysion]

but see its a very special ship so just swapping it out for a new one wouldnt work.
That said i dont understand why they decided to not at least give us something mid sized

[Myth Alric]

Rogue Traders often have even smaller ships than the one in game, including freighters and transport ships. You complain that we didn't get a battleship, but at least we got a military ship and not a modified transporter.

[Kadaeux]

Publicado originalmente por Myth Alric:

You are literally the last surviving person in the entire universe with an ounce of blood from the original person, which they finally found after scouring all the world databases to find you. Do you really think that sounds like an epic rogue trader dynasty to you?

The other rogue family has their son as heir, your prior heir had their 415th cousin as their heir. At the start of the story you have never met either of your relatives, nor likely ever even heard of them before.

It makes absolute sense you have a 'small ship' because your family is dead ass broke in Rogue Trader terms.

Except the dynasty isn't dead ass broke. The Dynasty is considered Winterscales *equal*.

Publicado originalmente por Myth Alric:

Rogue Traders often have even smaller ships than the one in game, including freighters and transport ships. You complain that we didn't get a battleship, but at least we got a military ship and not a modified transporter.

The Freighters and Transports are all larger than the Frigate we start with, including the Falchion. There are VERY few ships smaller than a Sword class Frigate.

[Schlumpsha]

I don't mind starting out small. But I wished we could gradually modify the voidship (outside the weaponry slots). We already can pick up dozens of xenotech and heretech and incorporate them into our the ship that becoming some sort of hybrid voidship should easily be doable for our (Heretic) Rogue Trader.

[Myth Alric]

The Dynasty sure doesn't seem to be doing so well when you take it over. Also are they as wealthy as Winterscale, or do they just punch above their class because they are a well respect OG dynasty?

Also even if a transport ship is larger, they are not designed for heavy combat. I think most people would rather have a frigate than having a ship 5 times larger which is designed to ship a billion potatoes at a time, even if it did have some weapons on it.

[G Willikers]

It sounds like our ship is the original dynasty flagship based on some of the code pasqal finds and how the writ vault behaves. You can’t just rip all that out and install it in a new ship.

It can also hold its own against much larger ships which also makes lore sense if it’s a pre-heresy ship or even dark age of tech. At this point it’s like a hot rod Prius, the only thing it has in common with a stock frigate is looks.

In terms of utility it makes sense to gameplay to use a smaller ship that can operate stealthily but punch well above its weight when needed. We’re remapping and stabilizing an entire sector, we need to be able to operate deep in unknown space for long periods of time completely independently.

Cruisers and grand cruisers don’t “have” fleets, they require them for everything from supply to point defense. A lone cruiser is easy pickings for a strong enough flotilla while a lone frigate has the option to maneuver or go quiet and escape.

I would definitely like more options and customization on the ship portion of the game but I also think using a frigate makes sense for a lot of reasons.

[Marauder]

ITT two folks incredibly deeply steeped in the opposite of power fantasy making bad arguments why we are knee capped and should remain so in perpetuity even when it clashes with what's said in game. No.

[watcherzero]

It also doesnt appear to be the only ship in your dynasty's fleet, at least three ships owned by you are wrecked after fleeing your forgeworld and you have the transports to quickly reestablish the supply line from Janus, nevermind the rest of the trade that was going on in your realm.

Likely its just your Dynastys original ship back when its primary job was exploration ahead of the Crusade fleets. (Though one of the ship options is a class thats only 500 years old which doesnt exactly fit with the ship being upto 10,000 years old)

[Elysion]

The cosmetic ship options seem to be non canonical to me. The sword class does make sense given its age since it seems like we need a very old ship for some of the plot elements to line up.

This means that the argument that it is the original ship of the original rogue trader of this dynasty and therefore couldnt be something massive holds up. But for the sake of the game and just feeling good making it be something on the high end of what a rogue trader could start with.

Now with this in mind a sword class frigate does fit in, so maybe they were trying to do just that. But from a player gameplay perspective its just a little underwhelming. Yes the sword class is ancient and a warship and so we could have an ancient warship on our hands which is pretty good, but i think something along the lines of a light cruiser would feel a lot better and still fall within the realm of plausibility.

So the question then is just are there any suitably ancient light cruisers established in the lore? My very vague understanding is that light cruisers might not even fit the doctrine of great crusade era naval tactics which i think were a lot more brawly. Maybe lore wise a sword class escort frigate is more durable than any available light cruisers because it is actually meant to accompany bigger ships into battle and perhaps light cruisers are all scouts/anti pirate patrol type non-battle-line affairs.

It just doesnt feel satisfying to be stuck in the smallest proper class of actual warship. Being bumped up to some kind of smaller cruiser would feel better and not break the plausibility so much given the necessary history of the ship compared to say if we started in the higher end of what some rogue traders are known to employ

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

In the TTRPG the only class of ships not listed are the Battleships, everything else is there from transports to a few grand cruiser class vessels.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Publicado originalmente por Elysion:

The cosmetic ship options seem to be non canonical to me. The sword class does make sense given its age since it seems like we need a very old ship for some of the plot elements to line up.

This means that the argument that it is the original ship of the original rogue trader of this dynasty and therefore couldnt be something massive holds up. But for the sake of the game and just feeling good making it be something on the high end of what a rogue trader could start with.

Now with this in mind a sword class frigate does fit in, so maybe they were trying to do just that. But from a player gameplay perspective its just a little underwhelming. Yes the sword class is ancient and a warship and so we could have an ancient warship on our hands which is pretty good, but i think something along the lines of a light cruiser would feel a lot better and still fall within the realm of plausibility.

So the question then is just are there any suitably ancient light cruisers established in the lore? My very vague understanding is that light cruisers might not even fit the doctrine of great crusade era naval tactics which i think were a lot more brawly. Maybe lore wise a sword class escort frigate is more durable than any available light cruisers because it is actually meant to accompany bigger ships into battle and perhaps light cruisers are all scouts/anti pirate patrol type non-battle-line affairs.

It just doesnt feel satisfying to be stuck in the smallest proper class of actual warship. Being bumped up to some kind of smaller cruiser would feel better and not break the plausibility so much given the necessary history of the ship compared to say if we started in the higher end of what some rogue traders are known to employ

Short answer, yes there are light cruiser, grand cruiser, and battleship class vessels from 30k. Keep in mind the Imperiu, has been using warships since long before the great crusade.

If you want specifics I could get you them, as I am a veteran of the Table Top RPG who owns physicals of most the books.