Spoiler question - Kiava Gamma

[Kitsunenoko]

Spoilers ahead, don't open if you have not yet finished the game


In Act 2, on Kiava Gamma, there is a corrupted cogitator which is a part of the Heinrix Story mission.

Back in Beta, I was doing a heretic run and had an option to kill Heinrix before he stops the machine calculations, this completely skipped demon fight, and you could keep the machine running.

Now, I am doing a heretic run again, and the only herecy option is to try to convince Heinrix to let machine work, or to kill him AFTER the machine is already broken.

Did they completely change that quest line and removed killing Heinrix to keep the machine?

[May XD]

Feels like it. You can shame him about it later, but it amounts to nothing, he remains holier than thou, and that's about it. Still yells at you about befriending an infernal engine, too - zero self-reflection on that man.

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

Feels like it. You can shame him about it later, but it amounts to nothing, he remains holier than thou, and that's about it. Still yells at you about befriending an infernal engine, too - zero self-reflection on that man.

If you choose dogmatic stuff (torture the lextech, torture human slop etc), he will do the Heretic choice and let the machine finish it's work, which is kinda stupid.

You can also shoot the machine (aka dogmatic) and then kill him, which fails the mission (which is also dumb).

But I absolutely remember that in Beta I could just shoot him in the back of the head while he was busy with it and keep the machine for yourself.

[May XD]

I don't exactly want to kill him, but it does sound like a fun choice, shame they removed it :\ heretic run got nerfed.

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

I don't exactly want to kill him, but it does sound like a fun choice, shame they removed it :\ heretic run got nerfed.

Do you know the consequences of letting machine finish/not letting it finish the calculations?

[May XD]

Originally posted by Kitsu:

Do you know the consequences of letting machine finish/not letting it finish the calculations?

afaik there's no real consequence, this whole sequence is there just to show Heinrix is kinda ruthless.

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

Originally posted by Kitsu:

Do you know the consequences of letting machine finish/not letting it finish the calculations?

afaik there's no real consequence, this whole sequence is there just to show Heinrix is kinda ruthless.

If you pick iconoclast choices before it, Heinrix will stop the machine, even if you suggest to let it finish calculating.

[May XD]

Originally posted by Kitsu:

If you pick iconoclast choices before it, Heinrix will stop the machine, even if you suggest to let it finish calculating.

Yeah, it's all about Heinrix and his morals. You can push him to be a better person... or not.

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

Originally posted by Kitsu:

If you pick iconoclast choices before it, Heinrix will stop the machine, even if you suggest to let it finish calculating.

Yeah, it's all about Heinrix and his morals. You can push him to be a better person... or not.

Is it possible to corrupt him to not leave you later?

[May XD]

Originally posted by Kitsu:

Is it possible to corrupt him to not leave you later?

No, unfortunately. It feels kinda like it's leading to it, but even if he does become heretic, he does so off-screen, on ending slides. There is multiple endings where he becomes corrupted, but afaik, if you are full heretic, you are most likely going to kill him, rather than anything.

It's a huge shame, imo.

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

Originally posted by Kitsu:

Is it possible to corrupt him to not leave you later?

No, unfortunately. It feels kinda like it's leading to it, but even if he does become heretic, he does so off-screen, on ending slides. There is multiple endings where he becomes corrupted, but afaik, if you are full heretic, you are most likely going to kill him, rather than anything.

It's a huge shame, imo.

What a shame, I saw many comments that you could keep him if you romance him

[May XD]

Originally posted by Kitsu:

What a shame, I saw many comments that you could keep him if you romance him

I heard so too, but I can't vouch for it. Maybe you can? Shame you can't be just, like, bad influence friends though :(

[Kitsunenoko]

Originally posted by May XD:

Originally posted by Kitsu:

What a shame, I saw many comments that you could keep him if you romance him

I heard so too, but I can't vouch for it. Maybe you can? Shame you can't be just, like, bad influence friends though :(

He does have RomanceDevil counter, so maybe that is it