SPOILER Void shadows ending Lack of Player Agency and Horribile writing.

[ekRapid]

Here you are after trying to redeem the zealot rogue murder Kibellah since she makes for a good sword in your arsenal and because she served you well before that and good servants are rare.

You meet her Master the first spinner and then she drags you to a fight to the death, you didn't permit as one of the kings of the expanse, and the ultimate word of the god-Emperor in these parts. They attack you while the rest of the spinners just stand and watch as the heretics attempt to kill the Emperor chosen and the captain of the ship.

And you just go along with it? No options to dismantle the cult, to execute the spinners for betrayal?

In a game where you can execute Jae for far lesser offenses. An attempt on your life is ignored in such ridiculous meek way.

I know, I should have beheaded her after she murdered the surgeon and this is my reward for not being just.

If I am ever replaying the game, I will be much harsher with the heretic spinners. As telling them not to kill without permission has little follow up with punishment.

[Riblion]

It's not a betrayal nor they are heretics, seems like you missed the idea of her quest line and character development

[ekRapid]

Originally posted by Riblion:

It's not a betrayal nor they are heretics, seems like you missed the idea of her quest line and character development

Anyone who dares attack a rogue trader, holder of the holy warrant of trade, voice of the emperor is a heretic. The are heretics because the attack you, those commoner fanatics are too high on drugs thinking they serve the emperor but act in heresy when they attack his rightful hand.

[Azure]

Uh huh...

[spectre199]

you were not betrayed and they are not heretics. Same with the girl she did not betray you and is not heretics. You missed what her quest really is about and her character development.

[Riblion]

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Originally posted by Riblion:

It's not a betrayal nor they are heretics, seems like you missed the idea of her quest line and character development

Anyone who dares attack a rogue trader, holder of the holy warrant of trade, voice of the emperor is a heretic. The are heretics because the attack you, those commoner fanatics are too high on drugs thinking they serve the emperor but act in heresy when they attack his rightful hand.

Believe what you want, but dont call the writing horrible if you are not even bothered to read dialogs carefully enough to at least grasp the main idea of a quest line

[Mahou86]

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Originally posted by Riblion:

It's not a betrayal nor they are heretics, seems like you missed the idea of her quest line and character development

Anyone who dares attack a rogue trader, holder of the holy warrant of trade, voice of the emperor is a heretic. The are heretics because the attack you, those commoner fanatics are too high on drugs thinking they serve the emperor but act in heresy when they attack his rightful hand.

You sound like the typical chaotic evil chud who chooses every "DIE!!!" option in cRPGs if someone looks at your character the wrong way XD.

[ekRapid]

I don't understand in what world a ruler would be ok with his people trying to murder him. Which is exactly what the Kibellah cult tried to do. And all the reactions to that where lame, the player has the option to tell Kibellah don't do it, but she ignores the player again and does what she wants. We should have an option to ban the cult after that.

Originally posted by Mahou86:

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Anyone who dares attack a rogue trader, holder of the holy warrant of trade, voice of the emperor is a heretic. The are heretics because the attack you, those commoner fanatics are too high on drugs thinking they serve the emperor but act in heresy when they attack his rightful hand.

You sound like the typical chaotic evil chud who chooses every "DIE!!!" option in cRPGs if someone looks at your character the wrong way XD.

I don't understand in what world a ruler would be ok with his people trying to murder him. Which is exactly what the Kibellah cult tried to do. And all the reactions to that where lame, the player has the option to tell Kibellah don't do it, but she ignores the player again and does what she wants. We should have an option to ban the cult after that.

In most cases I try to avoid killing people if I can, which is why I reached the end of this questline. I should have beheaded her after she murdered the surgeon.

[Taifun_Vash]

Did you ignore half the story?
The vizier is giving Kibellah a final test, to become the new vizier. You choose to accompany her on that final test and suddenly wonder why they attack you? Kibellah doesn't even have a real choice there. If you don't want to be attacked there, don't accompany her.

I would really like to know what you did with Calligos and Chorda in that run.

[ekRapid]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Did you ignore half the story?
The vizier is giving Kibellah a final test, to become the new vizier. You choose to accompany her on that final test and suddenly wonder why they attack you? Kibellah doesn't even have a real choice there. If you don't want to be attacked there, don't accompany her.

I would really like to know what you did with Calligos and Chorda in that run.

Yes you accompany her to her final test, and you are suppose to be able to decide to ban the order after they choose to attack you. my character never signed up to being attack on his own ship. A much stronger reaction to Kibellah accepting the challenge by the first spinner was required in this scene, there were no reactions or roleplaying options here. Your only option is to go with it.

You may have liked that roleplaying option to go with an attempt on your life, but my character who was already skeptical of the spinners way, was not ok with being attacked by the spinners. The humans e in the expanse with the audacity to attack the rogue trader until that point were heretics. Criminals bowed in respect and you only had a fight with them if you choose to attack/arrest them.

So yes the first spinner and his followers are heretics.

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Did you ignore half the story?
The vizier is giving Kibellah a final test, to become the new vizier. You choose to accompany her on that final test and suddenly wonder why they attack you? Kibellah doesn't even have a real choice there. If you don't want to be attacked there, don't accompany her.

I would really like to know what you did with Calligos and Chorda in that run.

Yes you accompany her to her final test, and you are suppose to be able to decide to ban the order after they choose to attack you. my character never signed up to being attack on his own ship. A much stronger reaction to Kibellah accepting the challenge by the first spinner was required in this scene, there were no reactions or roleplaying options here. Your only option is to go with it.

You may have liked that roleplaying option to go with an attempt on your life, but my character who was already skeptical of the spinners way, was not ok with being attacked by the spinners. The humans e in the expanse with the audacity to attack the rogue trader until that point were heretics. Criminals bowed in respect and you only had a fight with them if you choose to attack/arrest them.

So yes the first spinner and his followers are heretics.

She and the spinners ignored imperial law before that, if you were so big on imperial law you would have just sentenced her to death the moment she killed Forius (the ship doctor), that would be what would happens to her by imperial law. But it seems you didn't have that much problem with her breaking it.

[Marauder]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Yes you accompany her to her final test, and you are suppose to be able to decide to ban the order after they choose to attack you. my character never signed up to being attack on his own ship. A much stronger reaction to Kibellah accepting the challenge by the first spinner was required in this scene, there were no reactions or roleplaying options here. Your only option is to go with it.

You may have liked that roleplaying option to go with an attempt on your life, but my character who was already skeptical of the spinners way, was not ok with being attacked by the spinners. The humans e in the expanse with the audacity to attack the rogue trader until that point were heretics. Criminals bowed in respect and you only had a fight with them if you choose to attack/arrest them.

So yes the first spinner and his followers are heretics.

She and the spinners ignored imperial law before that, if you were so big on imperial law you would have just sentenced her to death the moment she killed Forius (the ship doctor), that would be what would happens to her by imperial law. But it seems you didn't have that much problem with her breaking it.

Imperial Law is what the Rogue Trader says it is. That's something you seem to be missing. The Rogue Trader is judge, jury, and executioner on his own ship.

Attempting to murder the Rogue Trader itself should very much give you an option to pretty much wipe the cult out. And it made little sense whatsoever. It seemed more like Owlcats need to have a "final battle" in the story line than anything.

[Rizilliant]

Originally posted by ekRapid:

Here you are after trying to redeem the zealot rogue murder Kibellah since she makes for a good sword in your arsenal and because she served you well before that and good servants are rare.

You meet her Master the first spinner and then she drags you to a fight to the death, you didn't permit as one of the kings of the expanse, and the ultimate word of the god-Emperor in these parts. They attack you while the rest of the spinners just stand and watch as the heretics attempt to kill the Emperor chosen and the captain of the ship.

And you just go along with it? No options to dismantle the cult, to execute the spinners for betrayal?

In a game where you can execute Jae for far lesser offenses. An attempt on your life is ignored in such ridiculous meek way.

I know, I should have beheaded her after she murdered the surgeon and this is my reward for not being just.

If I am ever replaying the game, I will be much harsher with the heretic spinners. As telling them not to kill without permission has little follow up with punishment.

you definitely didnt pay attention

[Aldaris]

Can't say I understand your reasoning here. You knew their methods involved trials. You knew they were combat orientated. You'd already partaken in several of their rituals to reach this point. If you were skeptical, confused why you let it get this far. You had plenty of prior opportunities to cut them off or ignore their quest line.

[Toaster Maximus]

This is why death cults are feared they are fanatics to the god emperor and answer only to their own codes and how they see the will of the god emperor, just be glad none of the assassin temples are in game or the rouge traders would all be dead. With how messed up this area of the imperiuem is

[Radegast]

I dont understand.

Viseer death, Kibelath first spinner / visier.

Kult changed direction it developed.

Quite fascinated development of the plot. Genestealars, killing of the honorable and decent Kibellahs family...

It all struck me well. I have to laught about stupid childish wroting of BG3 and commons.