Consequences to letting the eldar remain on the planet vs ruling it?

[Stridswombat]

What are the consequences to picking the dogmatic option of letting the eldar remain instead of the higher iconoclast choice of making an alliance with them? Do they still rule over the humans on the planets if you make an alliance?

I want to get more of a mutual cooperation thing rather than just letting them make the decisions. Failing that I'd prefer to just leave them alive, but without any power.

[brago90]

I haven't played Dogmatic or Iconoclast but I know what the empire is like so if you choose dogmatic I'm sure that in one way or another things will end in blood sooner or later although if you are a self-respecting imperial you would prefer sooner than later.

[Simocrates]

Suffer not the xeno to live.

[Dezdanna]

I'm not sure about the Dogmatic option unfortunately, but I know the Iconoclast option has literally no downside and is the best option from an objective moral and pragmatic perspective both.

Basically, Dogma balls, play Iconoclast.

[eech1]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

What are the consequences to picking the dogmatic option of letting the eldar remain instead of the higher iconoclast choice of making an alliance with them? Do they still rule over the humans on the planets if you make an alliance?

I want to get more of a mutual cooperation thing rather than just letting them make the decisions. Failing that I'd prefer to just leave them alive, but without any power.

Nothing bad will happend, they leave planet anyway since aeldari are nomads by they nature. I always take dogmatic option, when play as iconoclast, they may live on but must stop trying to take control under human population of planet.

[eech1]

Originally posted by Dezdanna:

I'm not sure about the Dogmatic option unfortunately, but I know the Iconoclast option has literally no downside and is the best option from an objective moral and pragmatic perspective both.

Not in this case, you literraly surrender your people to aeldari.

[Dezdanna]

Originally posted by eech1:

Not in this case, you literraly surrender your people to aeldari.

Yes in this case, actually, if you take the Iconoclast-locked option that requires you have a high Iconoclast score, your people and the Aeldari COOPERATE for EVERYONE'S benefit.

You're literally just wrong.

[Hidetsugu]

Originally posted by Dezdanna:

Yes in this case, actually, if you take the Iconoclast-locked option that requires you have a high Iconoclast score, your people and the Aeldari COOPERATE for EVERYONE'S benefit.

Have you finished an iconoclast run and read the Janus ending slide? Because the consequence of having them rule Janus is not all sunshine and rainbows.

[eech1]

Originally posted by Dezdanna:

Originally posted by eech1:

Not in this case, you literraly surrender your people to aeldari.

Yes in this case, actually, if you take the Iconoclast-locked option that requires you have a high Iconoclast score, your people and the Aeldari COOPERATE for EVERYONE'S benefit.

You're literally just wrong.

They will not cooperate, aeldari will use psychic powers to indoctrinate people like they do it with rebels. And it's not good.
When you use dogmatic option aeldari just leave planet for good, cause they nomads by they nature and will think better about humans, it's much more adequate ending for all. Also cooperation with xenos impossible in wh40k, rogue traders only exception, and only because Emperor will. And servants of rogue trader have no such privilege.

[Dezdanna]

Originally posted by eech1:

They will not cooperate, aeldari will use psychic powers to indoctrinate people like they do it with rebels. And it's not good.
When you use dogmatic option aeldari just leave planet for good, cause they nomads by they nature and will think better about humans, it's much more adequate ending for all. Also cooperation with xenos impossible in wh40k, rogue traders only exception, and only because Emperor will. And servants of rogue trader have no such privilege.

"Despite grim expectations, the coexistence of humans and the Aeldari did not lead to enmity. Janus had faced many trials, and the struggle against them brought the two peoples together. They did not develop an affection for one another, but they learned to speak with no weapons in their hands. More than one dangerous xenophile schism was born on Janus. Time spent on the same world as mon-keigh pushed the Farseer Muaran toward reflection. When the Webway Gate awoke on Janus and squads of Aeldari rangers stepped onto their ancestors' world, he averted a bloodbath. Granting the Lilaethan and its new and naive citizens his blessing, he disappeared through a shining portal, departing for a new home."

There, I gave you the entire text of the ending slide for Janus if you ally with them, again, you're simply wrong.

[Dezdanna]

Originally posted by Hidetsugu:

Have you finished an iconoclast run and read the Janus ending slide? Because the consequence of having them rule Janus is not all sunshine and rainbows.

Yes, and apart from the mentioned "schisms" it is pretty much sunshine and rainbows.

[eech1]

As i remember you can prevent aeldari invasion at all. And he will leave with peace, and here will be no schizm. So dogmatic option still look better,

[Dezdanna]

Originally posted by eech1:

As i remember you can prevent aeldari invasion at all. And he will leave with peace, and here will be no schizm. So dogmatic option still look better,

No, it's worse, because you're not allied with them and showing everyone a better way.
If you want to be a xenophobe at least just stop pretending you care and just kill them.

[eech1]

Originally posted by Dezdanna:

No, it's worse, because you're not allied with them and showing everyone a better way.
If you want to be a xenophobe at least just stop pretending you care and just kill them.

You can't show better ways to emperium, it no need it. You just make your region target for another crusade.

[Dezdanna]

Originally posted by eech1:

it no need it

Firstly, this is objectively incorrect, the Imperium is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on every level even from a pragmatic perspective it's doing so many things wrong.

Secondly "If you try you'll just get crusaded" is equivalent to saying "if you try chaos will just win anyway", if you use that logic then you might as well just walk directly into the Warp.

[eech1]

Originally posted by Dezdanna:

Originally posted by eech1:

it no need it

Firstly, this is objectively incorrect, the Imperium is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on every level even from a pragmatic perspective it's doing so many things wrong.

Secondly "If you try you'll just get crusaded" is equivalent to saying "if you try chaos will just win anyway", if you use that logic then you might as well just walk directly into the Warp.

Yes. But since it totalitaristic state it no wish any changes. People enjoy being ignorant. Chaos?! it can't win and can't lose it part of it. And by the way aeldary no better, just look at yerliet how she treat any human, aeldari can't teach humanity anything new.