Did humans and eldar know about each other during humans' Golden Ages of Technologies?

[Kshahdoo]

It could be a fun interaction.

[Ishan451]

Yes.

Humanities Golden Age was between 15k and 25k. Around the same time the first gene engineering caused the creation of the Navigator Gene, as well as the Psyker Gene. Those were around M22 to M23. In M18 they developed the Gellar Field and started to explore the Galaxy, which is where they inevitably met the rulers of the Galaxy... the Eldar. But before the Humans could become a threat to the Eldar they developed AI and brought about their downfall.

The Eldar "ruled the Galaxy" until about M30. Between M25 and M30 humanity basically was busy warring among themselves with their creations.

Ruled the Galaxy being a bit of a hyperbole here, as they basically shared it with the Orks and Squats. The Eldar and Orks also were kinda still embroiled in the War in Heaven by that point, so they didn't really care much for the hairless apes and their worries. And besides, even during the Golden Age of Technology the Humans were still primitive primates compared to both the Orks and Eldar. Not worth fighting for the Orks* and not worth paying attention to by the Eldar.

And the Squats... they are kinda human, but left way before Humanity had developed warp technology in big Generation Ships... And basically settled where neither Ork nor Eldar cared for... mineral rich mining worlds. Also known as Barren Rocks. And basically the Squats originated from clones of the original settlers.

So while humanity never really had a chance to rub against the Eldar Empire... they sort of existed side by side for a few thousand years, given that the Seat of the Eldar Empire is what we know in 30 and 40k as the Eye of Terror.

Edit: *I mean... They are still Orks but at that time there still were Kroks (i refuse to call them Prime Orks)

[Kshahdoo]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Yes.

Humanities Golden Age was between 15k and 25k. Around the same time the first gene engineering caused the creation of the Navigator Gene, as well as the Psyker Gene. Those were around M22 to M23. In M18 they developed the Gellar Field and started to explore the Galaxy, which is where they inevitably met the rulers of the Galaxy... the Eldar. But before the Humans could become a threat to the Eldar they developed AI and brought about their downfall.

The Eldar "ruled the Galaxy" until about M30. Between M25 and M30 humanity basically was busy warring among themselves with their creations.

Ruled the Galaxy being a bit of a hyperbole here, as they basically shared it with the Orks and Squats. The Eldar and Orks also were kinda still embroiled in the War in Heaven by that point, so they didn't really care much for the hairless apes and their worries. And besides, even during the Golden Age of Technology the Humans were still primitive primates compared to both the Orks and Eldar. Not worth fighting for the Orks* and not worth paying attention to by the Eldar.

And the Squats... they are kinda human, but left way before Humanity had developed warp technology in big Generation Ships... And basically settled where neither Ork nor Eldar cared for... mineral rich mining worlds. Also known as Barren Rocks. And basically the Squats originated from clones of the original settlers.

So while humanity never really had a chance to rub against the Eldar Empire... they sort of existed side by side for a few thousand years, given that the Seat of the Eldar Empire is what we know in 30 and 40k as the Eye of Terror.

Edit: *I mean... They are still Orks but at that time there still were Kroks (i refuse to call them Prime Orks)

As far as I know humans invented some crazy things during Golden Age. Like machines that were able to destroy stars. Wasn't that enough to beat Eldar?

[=DeadShot=]

For the eldar to be so decadent to spawn Slaneesh is that they should feel and be safe enough to not be chalanged in their arrogance. And for others to consider the eldar to be like weather something that you can bear it and /or flee instead of being able to fight it even baddly.
So I doubt the what humans had during their technological high was able to hold a candle to either the eldar tech or necron tech.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Kshahdoo:

As far as I know humans invented some crazy things during Golden Age. Like machines that were able to destroy stars. Wasn't that enough to beat Eldar?

You are talking about a race that could create artificial gods, that had a history of fighting the Necron in the War in Heaven (said Necron currently having a machine that looks like a model of the whole galaxy, but changing things in the "model" alters the real galaxy as well. And this is AFTER the Necron's sealed or destroyed all their more dangerous weapons).

The Eldar was OP as hell before the fall.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Yes.

Humanities Golden Age was between 15k and 25k. Around the same time the first gene engineering caused the creation of the Navigator Gene, as well as the Psyker Gene. Those were around M22 to M23. In M18 they developed the Gellar Field and started to explore the Galaxy, which is where they inevitably met the rulers of the Galaxy... the Eldar. But before the Humans could become a threat to the Eldar they developed AI and brought about their downfall.

The Eldar "ruled the Galaxy" until about M30. Between M25 and M30 humanity basically was busy warring among themselves with their creations.

Ruled the Galaxy being a bit of a hyperbole here, as they basically shared it with the Orks and Squats. The Eldar and Orks also were kinda still embroiled in the War in Heaven by that point, so they didn't really care much for the hairless apes and their worries. And besides, even during the Golden Age of Technology the Humans were still primitive primates compared to both the Orks and Eldar. Not worth fighting for the Orks* and not worth paying attention to by the Eldar.

And the Squats... they are kinda human, but left way before Humanity had developed warp technology in big Generation Ships... And basically settled where neither Ork nor Eldar cared for... mineral rich mining worlds. Also known as Barren Rocks. And basically the Squats originated from clones of the original settlers.

So while humanity never really had a chance to rub against the Eldar Empire... they sort of existed side by side for a few thousand years, given that the Seat of the Eldar Empire is what we know in 30 and 40k as the Eye of Terror.

Edit: *I mean... They are still Orks but at that time there still were Kroks (i refuse to call them Prime Orks)

you're giving the squats *way* more significance than they have ( they're some colonies of abhumans, that were able to stand their ground during the great crusade and as a result the emperor developed teh Mk. III power armour) but there was no "sharing of power" with the Eldar. The squat Age of Isolation is in line with the Age of Strife on Terra, the Eldar empire was millions of years old at that point. The were basically below the Eldar's notice.

TL;DR The squats show up in M25 / M26 and the fall of the Eldar happens in M30.

But it's understandable to have a wonky timline when trying to figure stuff out, On one hand you have a book like Throneworld that says The Eldar empire was established at about 65 million years BC but then you have the 5th ed necron codex that says the war in heaven happened 60 million years ago, and the War in heaven happened WAY before teh eldar established an empire.

But to be clear: The Eldar had an empire that was *way* bigger than the Imperium ever was, and ever will be they were definitely the closest to being "mortal masters of the galaxy" shame they messed it all up by murderboning a chaos god into existence.

[Balekai]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Kshahdoo:

As far as I know humans invented some crazy things during Golden Age. Like machines that were able to destroy stars. Wasn't that enough to beat Eldar?

You are talking about a race that could create artificial gods, that had a history of fighting the Necron in the War in Heaven (said Necron currently having a machine that looks like a model of the whole galaxy, but changing things in the "model" alters the real galaxy as well. And this is AFTER the Necron's sealed or destroyed all their more dangerous weapons).

The Eldar was OP as hell before the fall.

This.

Think of it this way:

Both Humans and Aeldari were so big, advanced and OP enough threats to one another with galactic doomsday, mutual assured destruction implications (like the War in Heaven), while also being on good enough terms, that War was just not a real option.

So they created a Truce instead and ruled their respective large corners of the Galaxy (with the Aeldari owning the largest like 2/3rds of it). It seems that although the Aedari controlled that huge swath of the Galaxy, their presence was mostly confined to the core Empire, where the original boundaries of the Eye of Terror were before the Fall of Cadia I would guess. Which is probably why Humans were able to get so far with their expansion as they were encountering mostly Aeldari vassal races.

And/Or Aedlari hubris and arrogance dismissed Human expansion all together until it was like "Hey these stupid Mon-Keighs have taken over 1/3 of the Galaxy WTF?"

[Taifun_Vash]

It's technically a bit like with the T'au. They were seen as a primitive race not worth of notice at the time.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

You are talking about a race that could create artificial gods, that had a history of fighting the Necron in the War in Heaven (said Necron currently having a machine that looks like a model of the whole galaxy, but changing things in the "model" alters the real galaxy as well. And this is AFTER the Necron's sealed or destroyed all their more dangerous weapons).

The Eldar was OP as hell before the fall.

This.

Think of it this way:

Both Humans and Aeldari were so big, advanced and OP enough threats to one another with galactic doomsday, mutual assured destruction implications (like the War in Heaven), while also being on good enough terms, that War was just not a real option.

So they created a Truce instead and ruled their respective large corners of the Galaxy (with the Aeldari owning the largest like 2/3rds of it). It seems that although the Aedari controlled that huge swath of the Galaxy, their presence was mostly confined to the core Empire, where the original boundaries of the Eye of Terror were before the Fall of Cadia I would guess. Which is probably why Humans were able to get so far with their expansion as they were encountering mostly Aeldari vassal races.

And/Or Aedlari hubris and arrogance dismissed Human expansion all together until it was like "Hey these stupid Mon-Keighs have taken over 1/3 of the Galaxy WTF?"

There was a truce between the Humans and the Eldar?

The only time i can think of one is the one the Ynnari have but that's more a "hey can we not feed Chaos by fighting each other whenever possible? Thanks,"

Other truces with the Eldar are short lived ( hey lets fight this tyranid hive fleet etc.) because the knife-eared backstabbers can't be trusted to actually have anyone else's interests at heart.

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

There was a truce between the Humans and the Eldar?

Just a quote from wiki, I don't know the exact book that said it at the moment.

Humanity encountered several intelligent alien races during their expansion out into the galaxy, such as the Aeldari and the warlike Orks. With these discoveries began, in time, the first Human-xenos wars. With Mankind at the height of its power, the threat of aliens was viewed as trivial and eventually non-aggression pacts were signed between Terra, its colonies and many of the alien races.

For the rest of the age, Mankind spread across the stars, becoming widely dispersed and divergent. Evidence exists of many wars, but none that threatened the stability of Human space. Amongst the surviving records are lists of xenos enemies that have long since gone extinct, along with more familiar names such as Aeldari and Orks.

[Balekai]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by Balekai:

This.

Think of it this way:

Both Humans and Aeldari were so big, advanced and OP enough threats to one another with galactic doomsday, mutual assured destruction implications (like the War in Heaven), while also being on good enough terms, that War was just not a real option.

So they created a Truce instead and ruled their respective large corners of the Galaxy (with the Aeldari owning the largest like 2/3rds of it). It seems that although the Aedari controlled that huge swath of the Galaxy, their presence was mostly confined to the core Empire, where the original boundaries of the Eye of Terror were before the Fall of Cadia I would guess. Which is probably why Humans were able to get so far with their expansion as they were encountering mostly Aeldari vassal races.

And/Or Aedlari hubris and arrogance dismissed Human expansion all together until it was like "Hey these stupid Mon-Keighs have taken over 1/3 of the Galaxy WTF?"

There was a truce between the Humans and the Eldar?

The only time i can think of one is the one the Ynnari have but that's more a "hey can we not feed Chaos by fighting each other whenever possible? Thanks,"

Other truces with the Eldar are short lived ( hey lets fight this tyranid hive fleet etc.) because the knife-eared backstabbers can't be trusted to actually have anyone else's interests at heart.

This was during the Dark Age of Technology. Where Humans owned 1/3 of the Galaxy and the Aeldari the other 2/3 to 3/4ths of it.

At this time Human Civilization is hinted to have been something out of Star Trek (Federation of Planets) or Star Wars (The Republic) consisting of Xenos worlds in addition to Human ones.

Humans were arguably the most technologically advanced Race at this time with their countless AI armies and technology so advanced it was hard to differentiate from psyker power (but wasn't). Imperial technology of today is mostly based off "rudimentary" (lol) human colonial blueprints from that time, with many Imperial warships, tanks etc. being mostly Transport ship or Tractor blueprints. Las weapons were the same basically for frontier make it yourself pest control weapons.


This is even shown in game with the archeotech colony machine on foulstone which can create people. Although they don't have wills of their own due to a malfunction, the archeotech people have the knowledge to basically terraform planets into paradises all by themselves and even have other weird "powers." Like painting the inside of your ship with weird patterns that strengthen the hull itself lol.

You could say that to the Aeldari, the Humans were becoming a threat on the same level of the Necrons from old times.

However, the Aeldari had their ancient knowledge, artificial Gods, the Galactic Infrastructure/numbers and unmatched Psyker power (which humans at this point probably had no real defence or counter to).

All that threat ended though when AI rebelled against their Human overlords wiping out most Star Systems, Psykers starting popping up ending worlds all by themselves, and the Warp became so dangerous that all travel stopped, causing total Human systems collapse, which led to the Xenos races under Human domination to rebel as well finishing off many of the Human survivors of what was left.

Around the same time the Aeldari blew themselves up with the creation of Slaanesh.

Good times! :p

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by Balekai:

This is even shown in game with the archeotech colony machine on foulstone which can create people. Although they don't have wills of their own due to a malfunction, the archeotech people have the knowledge to basically terraform planets into paradises all by themselves and even have other weird "powers." Like painting the inside of your ship with weird patterns that strengthen the hull itself lol.

You forgot Kiava Gamma with the null calligraph, the machine from the dark age that makes warp travel safe while not needing Navigators.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Originally posted by Sliscus:

There was a truce between the Humans and the Eldar?

Just a quote from wiki, I don't know the exact book that said it at the moment.

Humanity encountered several intelligent alien races during their expansion out into the galaxy, such as the Aeldari and the warlike Orks. With these discoveries began, in time, the first Human-xenos wars. With Mankind at the height of its power, the threat of aliens was viewed as trivial and eventually non-aggression pacts were signed between Terra, its colonies and many of the alien races.

For the rest of the age, Mankind spread across the stars, becoming widely dispersed and divergent. Evidence exists of many wars, but none that threatened the stability of Human space. Amongst the surviving records are lists of xenos enemies that have long since gone extinct, along with more familiar names such as Aeldari and Orks.

The Fandom wiki or lexicanum?

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Just a quote from wiki, I don't know the exact book that said it at the moment.

The Fandom wiki or lexicanum?

Both under The STC.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Originally posted by Sliscus:

There was a truce between the Humans and the Eldar?

The only time i can think of one is the one the Ynnari have but that's more a "hey can we not feed Chaos by fighting each other whenever possible? Thanks,"

Other truces with the Eldar are short lived ( hey lets fight this tyranid hive fleet etc.) because the knife-eared backstabbers can't be trusted to actually have anyone else's interests at heart.

This was during the Dark Age of Technology. Where Humans owned 1/3 of the Galaxy and the Aeldari the other 2/3 to 3/4ths of it.

At this time Human Civilization is hinted to have been something out of Star Trek (Federation of Planets) or Star Wars (The Republic) consisting of Xenos worlds in addition to Human ones.

Humans were arguably the most technologically advanced Race at this time with their countless AI armies and technology so advanced it was hard to differentiate from psyker power (but wasn't). Imperial technology of today is mostly based off "rudimentary" (lol) human colonial blueprints from that time, with many Imperial warships, tanks etc. being mostly Transport ship or Tractor blueprints. Las weapons were the same basically for frontier make it yourself pest control weapons.


This is even shown in game with the archeotech colony machine on foulstone which can create people. Although they don't have wills of their own due to a malfunction, the archeotech people have the knowledge to basically terraform planets into paradises all by themselves and even have other weird "powers." Like painting the inside of your ship with weird patterns that strengthen the hull itself lol.

You could say that to the Aeldari, the Humans were becoming a threat on the same level of the Necrons from old times.

However, the Aeldari had their ancient knowledge, artificial Gods, the Galactic Infrastructure/numbers and unmatched Psyker power (which humans at this point probably had no real defence or counter to).

All that threat ended though when AI rebelled against their Human overlords wiping out most Star Systems, Psykers starting popping up ending worlds all by themselves, and the Warp became so dangerous that all travel stopped, causing total Human systems collapse, which led to the Xenos races under Human domination to rebel as well finishing off many of the Human survivors of what was left.

Around the same time the Aeldari blew themselves up with the creation of Slaanesh.

Good times! :p

Humans were never on Par with the Necrontyr in terms of Galactic threat. The war in heaven is the reason that the Warp is all messed up in the first place (even pre-slaanesh it was not a great place to live) the rebellion of the men of iron ( in M23) wasn't the true cause of the end of the age of Technology, it's what happened *after*.

The worst war storms in the history of Humanity occurred after the Men of Iron were put down, and it isolated every major human settlement and made interplanetary trade impossible, this was especially bad for Terra as Terrans needed to be able to trade with other worlds for groceries and toilet paper.

And so this next age of itchy assclefts and hunger was known as the Age of Strife.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Originally posted by Sliscus:

The Fandom wiki or lexicanum?

Both under The STC.

That line says

The resulting exploration brought mankind new knowledge, wealth and arrogance. Science is said to have become God. Humanity had encountered several alien races. With their discovery began the first human-alien wars. With mankind at the height of its power the threat of aliens was trivial and eventually non-aggression pacts were signed with many of the alien races. At this time the human colonies were federated to Terra - allowing the human race to remain unified.[Needs Citation]

So there's no cited fluff to back it up.