Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader

Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader

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Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 21:58
So, why does Slaanesh have such a Hate boner for the space elves?
I mean, yeah...they're kind of a buncha A-Holes. But still, it seems a bit odd for one particular Chaos God to have such a specific obsession with one species above all the rest.

What's the deal there? I think I remember Yrliet commenting once that the space elves are somehow responsible for Slaanesh? I assumed all the Chaos Gods were basically eternal, ageless, cosmic entities like most gods in fictional settings.

And what about the Aeldar gods like Laughing God. Is he a Chaos God too or something unique, like the C'Tan?

How do the various Gods rank against each other? Could a C'Tan beat Khorne? Would the Laughing God make Slaanesh his ♥♥♥♥♥(which he/she/it would probably get off on?). Are there other Gods in the Lore we haven't even heard of yet?
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Xhal 5. okt. 2024 kl. 22:03 
Space elves created slaanesh.
All the pain they inflict feed him energy.
When space elves die their souls go to slaanesh.
Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 22:04 
Okay. Weird. Does that mean the other Chaos gods were created too? Like the Orks made Khorne somehow? Who made Tzeetch and Nurgle?
darwinrocks80 5. okt. 2024 kl. 22:19 
not a great 40k fan however I believe that the others were created by humans and their twisted fears/desires. Nurgle is the oldest and pestilence, Khorne is blood-lust, Slaanesh was created by the Eldar due to them being bored. Slaanesh is overindulgence of pleasure, pain and where they meet is their personal happy place, Tzeetch is the one i struggle with the most. I understand that they enjoy giving knowledge to idiots and watching them nuke themselves to oblivion, and ticking off the other chaos gods, however I don't know their nature of reference. Still they are not the most uber powerful entity's in the universe they are scared of the emperor and I think there is a story where a hive fleet is hunting demons trying to find them to absorb them or something like it.
Robbie Rechurch 5. okt. 2024 kl. 22:34 
Oprindeligt skrevet af darwinrocks80:
not a great 40k fan however I believe that the others were created by humans and their twisted fears/desires. Nurgle is the oldest and pestilence, Khorne is blood-lust, Slaanesh was created by the Eldar due to them being bored.

almost entirely correct! the warp, being a psychic dimension that is shaped by sentient minds just as much as it shapes sentient minds, is influenced by the collective unconsciousness of all sentient beings, not just eldar and humans. humans (and eldar before them) are some of the most prolific and widespread sentients so they are no doubt very large contributors.

in the same way the warp can be used to create great, wonderful, miraculous things, it can also make horrific and terrible things. all the fear, all the scheming, all the rage, all the excess and hedonism in the thoughts of sentient beings create and sustain the ruinous powers.
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NotoriousNix 5. okt. 2024 kl. 22:47 
I believe the space elves essentially collectively were decadent in all aspects of life so much so that they unintentionally created a god that now feeds on their collective souls when they die, when it was born it ripped their craft worlds apart and fed off their dying souls "IE she who thirsts". Now when they die it devours them, unless they capture said souls in the gems. The dark eldar inflict pain on others and exist in between places in minor safe areas tormenting people they capture as a way to stave off that dark god and prolong their lives. LOL most of my knowledge comes from youtube videos.
Balekai 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:02 
In addition to the reasons above, the why Slaanesh (and Chaos Gods in general if the souls were not all claimed by Slaanesh), like Space Elves is because they like to eat souls and sentient emotion. It feeds them. The more powerful the emotions, the more sustenance it provides. Which is why Chaos Gods are so evil. Evil tends to provoke more extreme emotional reaction, juicing up their prey much like Stephen's King "It" did with fear and young children. The more emotion they can reflect into the Warp the better for them.

The souls and emotions of most organics in the Galaxy are like a bred crums in sustenance and taste compared to an Aeldari soul, which is like fields of the most delicious fruit you have ever tasted (they are that much more powerful and warp infused). That's why Saanesh has a boner for Aeldari. You would too if you had the choice between starving on bred crum and fields of deciduous fruit.

The opposite to Aeldari (or Psykers) are creatures that are Blanks with no warp presence (or souls). Blanks are like psychopaths incarnate because they have no soul, but they actually hurt Chaos and the warp when they're around. They also disturb everyone else causing negative emotional reactions and feelings of nothingness and wrongness. Technically you can kill powerful Chaos Entities by just having a powerful Blank around causing nothingness to reflect into the Warp. I think at least if you could trap them in their presence. :p

Also you have races like the Tau with such low warp presence (mysteriously and suspicious so as if they're like a weapon), that Warp Entities may not even notice their presence.

On the C'tan vs. Chaos God thing it's hard to say and it may not even be possible for them to meet, as they're polar opposites. Chaos Gods can only exist in the Warp. C'tan can only exist in Realspace. C'Tan are weakened by warp influence and are kind of *indisposed* because they were chopped up into little tiny shards and used as a power source, but a full force C'Tan could likely do things to Chaos Gods and their minions they wouldn't want to ave happen at all if they venture into Realspace. C'Tan, and even their Shards, can warp reality to the point of time travel, creating new realities, travelling dimensions etc. etc.

Necron/C'Tan technology is already proven in lore to have a massive effect vs. the warp, as a result of them battling the Old Ones back in the day. Their technology has the ability to ward off Warp energies and even reduce/push away something the size of the Eye of Terror (this happens on Cadia before it's fall. The black monoliths of the Elysium fields were being used with Necron help to push back the Eye of Terror, before the Blackstone Fortress was slammed into the planet to destroy them).

Technically the plot of this game is *MAJOR SPOILERS* What happens to the doomed fight vs. Chaos if a C'Tan Star God came to town? :p :P We never got to see this in the War in Heaven, because the C'Tan started to withdraw as the Warp became more unstable due to the massive Galactic War 60 million years ago, which I think weakened them enough to allow the Necrons to successfully Rebel.

TLDR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=B0Z4i1Sl94g&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY
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Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:12 
Okay...but if Slaanesh is a manifestation of Space Elf Decadence, then the Drukhari make no sense.

The Aeldar make sense. If over-indulgence in S&M created a Chaos God, then them going hardcore Pure-Vulcan-Logic/Aesthetic makes sense. Discipline and Chastity to resist the influences of Slaanesh.

The Drukhari's response to accidentally creating a whole freakin' Kink God was to crank it up to 11 and say hold my Amasec?

It's not even that this was their response that I don't get...it's that somehow the decision to go Maximum Kink seems to be working quite effectively to hide them from the God of Kink? Really? Dafuq?

And in a general sense, why are there only 4 Chaos Gods? Bloodlust, Sexlust, Pestilence and...Mysteries? That's it? That's what the sum total of human/space elf fear and vice creates in the warp?

Is there a reason beside "Cuz it's Grimdark, Tourist" that the Warp doesn't manifest anything positive? Hopes, aspiration, love, etc?
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Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:22 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Balekai:
Which is why Chaos Gods are so evil. Evil tends to provoke more extreme emotional reaction, juicing up their prey much like Stephen's King "It" did with fear and young children. The more emotion they can reflect into the Warp the better for them.

Okay. I think this answers my question about why the Warp doesn't seem to make any "Good" gods.

Though in a general philosophical way, I wouldn't say "evil" emotions are more powerful/potent...just easier.

It's way easier to make a billion people hate and fear you than it is to make 10 people love and adore you. lol

Which ironically is what the God Emperor did. Even if he lied, cheated, murdered and stole to make it happen. lmao

So theoretically the Warp COULD create a "Chaos God of Romance" or "Courage" or "Honor"....but compared to the darker Chaos Gods these ones would have a much harder time finding 'food' and probably get stomped by bigger, more potent Chaos entities?
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jonoliveira12 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:23 
Slaanesh was created as a spiritual-psychic predator by the space elves, and naturally finds their souls to be the tastiest, so pursues them the hardest.
jonoliveira12 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:26 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jivebot:
Okay...but if Slaanesh is a manifestation of Space Elf Decadence, then the Drukhari make no sense.

The Aeldar make sense. If over-indulgence in S&M created a Chaos God, then them going hardcore Pure-Vulcan-Logic/Aesthetic makes sense. Discipline and Chastity to resist the influences of Slaanesh.

The Drukhari's response to accidentally creating a whole freakin' Kink God was to crank it up to 11 and say hold my Amasec?

It's not even that this was their response that I don't get...it's that somehow the decision to go Maximum Kink seems to be working quite effectively to hide them from the God of Kink? Really? Dafuq?

And in a general sense, why are there only 4 Chaos Gods? Bloodlust, Sexlust, Pestilence and...Mysteries? That's it? That's what the sum total of human/space elf fear and vice creates in the warp?

Is there a reason beside "Cuz it's Grimdark, Tourist" that the Warp doesn't manifest anything positive? Hopes, aspiration, love, etc?
Negative emotions and obsessions are the strongest, and the Warp was scarred by a HUGE galactic war in the past.
The species that have emerging since that war, are all psychically scarred, so they tend to maintain the Warp in a state of disrepair by passive influence.

Warhammer is a story of many times things getting ruined beyond repair, and you can never go back, just move forward into greater darkness.

Drukhari make sense, they have no soulstones (they do not cling to them because of their wickedness) so they inflict great torment upon others, to stop their souls leaking with time, to Slaanesh, which would kill them in the long run.
It is like stopping a blaze with a controlled fire.
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Balekai 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:27 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jivebot:
Okay...but if Slaanesh is a manifestation of Space Elf Decadence, then the Drukhari make no sense.

The Aeldar make sense. If over-indulgence in S&M created a Chaos God, then them going hardcore Pure-Vulcan-Logic/Aesthetic makes sense. Discipline and Chastity to resist the influences of Slaanesh.

The Drukhari's response to accidentally creating a whole freakin' Kink God was to crank it up to 11 and say hold my Amasec?

It's not even that this was their response that I don't get...it's that somehow the decision to go Maximum Kink seems to be working quite effectively to hide them from the God of Kink? Really? Dafuq?

And in a general sense, why are there only 4 Chaos Gods? Bloodlust, Sexlust, Pestilence and...Mysteries? That's it? That's what the sum total of human/space elf fear and vice creates in the warp?

Is there a reason beside "Cuz it's Grimdark, Tourist" that the Warp doesn't manifest anything positive? Hopes, aspiration, love, etc?


Yep that's the way it works lol.


Keep in mind though It also helps that they hide in the Webway 95% of the time (in Commorragh). They're mostly/partially shielded there and why those that were there didn't go kaboom with the rest of the Aeldari Empire. It's why they don't spend too long in Realspace and instead focus on Raids rather than building say a new Aeldari Empire.

If they stay too long She Who Thirsts will start to see them, making them increasingly more desperate with their full kink, and it can drive them mad (more crazy than usual lol).
Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:36 
How does the Laughing God fit into all this? Is he a Warp entity too? Or a Realspace being like the C'Tan? Are there other gods like him? Do they feed on emotions too?
Jivebot 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:48 
Oprindeligt skrevet af jonoliveira12:
Drukhari make sense, they have no soulstones (they do not cling to them because of their wickedness) so they inflict great torment upon others, to stop their souls leaking with time, to Slaanesh, which would kill them in the long run.
It is like stopping a blaze with a controlled fire.

I guess i'm just not getting how it is that doing Slaanesh's favorite things somehow hides you from Slaanesh.

I mean, okay I understand that Slaanesh can't get into the Webway(At least until my Rogue Trader kicks open the door for her. Cuz screw you, Commoragh. lol)

So I can see why they'd just keep going with their favorite pasttime.

But if the influences of Chaos are so potent that just getting a tatoo of a Chaos Symbol or carrying around a seemingly innocuous Chaos Amulet(like in that Abelard quest in Chapter 1) can "draw the eye of the Chaos Gods" you'd think even 5 seconds of time in real space would make a Drukhari light up like Las Vegas on Slaanesh's radar with all the raw savage Kink Energy they're carrying around.

Why does indulging hedonism hide them from the god of hedonism? The Webway itself seems to be what's hiding them when they're in Commoragh(Which seems to imply they don't even need to torture anybody while there. They're just a bunch of A-Holes. lol)

But once in realspace, how is it that doing all of Slaanesh's favorite things somehow hides them from Slaanesh?
jonoliveira12 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:55 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jivebot:
How does the Laughing God fit into all this? Is he a Warp entity too? Or a Realspace being like the C'Tan? Are there other gods like him? Do they feed on emotions too?
The Laughing God, Cegorach is one of the 3 remaining deities of the Eldar pantheon.

He was wiser than he seemed to be, and escaped to the Webway when Slaanesh was birthed, just like the wise jester stereotype from Medieval court stories.

He now exists in the Black Library, a huge hidden realm with all the knowledge in the universe, and perhaps secrets that even Tzeentch does not know. This realm is guarded by the Harlequins, an Eldar splinter group that hunts for realspace threats to the Black Library.
jonoliveira12 5. okt. 2024 kl. 23:58 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Jivebot:
Oprindeligt skrevet af jonoliveira12:
Drukhari make sense, they have no soulstones (they do not cling to them because of their wickedness) so they inflict great torment upon others, to stop their souls leaking with time, to Slaanesh, which would kill them in the long run.
It is like stopping a blaze with a controlled fire.

I guess i'm just not getting how it is that doing Slaanesh's favorite things somehow hides you from Slaanesh.

I mean, okay I understand that Slaanesh can't get into the Webway(At least until my Rogue Trader kicks open the door for her. Cuz screw you, Commoragh. lol)

So I can see why they'd just keep going with their favorite pasttime.

But if the influences of Chaos are so potent that just getting a tatoo of a Chaos Symbol or carrying around a seemingly innocuous Chaos Amulet(like in that Abelard quest in Chapter 1) can "draw the eye of the Chaos Gods" you'd think even 5 seconds of time in real space would make a Drukhari light up like Las Vegas on Slaanesh's radar with all the raw savage Kink Energy they're carrying around.

Why does indulging hedonism hide them from the god of hedonism? The Webway itself seems to be what's hiding them when they're in Commoragh(Which seems to imply they don't even need to torture anybody while there. They're just a bunch of A-Holes. lol)

But once in realspace, how is it that doing all of Slaanesh's favorite things somehow hides them from Slaanesh?

The pain they inflict is spiritually hanging around them like an energy shield, masking their soul signature with that of several other races of victims, so Slaanesh has trouble locating them in their raids.
The longer lived they are, the more pain they need to mask the signature, however, until it becomes almost impossible to do so for the majority of them, so their souls start leaking, they grow decrepit as a result, and die being devoured by Slaanesh.
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