Getting to iconoclast rank 4 is a real challenge.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

I am trying really hard to raise my points before finishing footfall on act 4, but It is rather hard. I've scoured about every possible planet and side quest at this point.

I am taking iconoclast as much as possible, but sometimes it makes no sense so in those few instances I've gone dogmatic. I might not be able to reach rank 4 at all.

[dwarfpcfan]

you will, if you keep helping the eldar and generally aren't a burn everything in the name of the emprah fellow you'll reach inconoclast 4 in Cormorrag and very likely will also have dogmatic 2 which is great for pyro psykers.

[Taifun_Vash]

Rank 4, shouldn't be a problem in any case, did you do Quetza Temer yet?

[dwarfpcfan]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Rank 4, shouldn't be a problem in any case, did you do Quetza Temer yet?

Assuming you're committing to being iconoclast you should reach 4 before leaving cormorrag provided you took every opportunity to help the eldar and be friendly with the harlequin. There's a conversation with him that alone gives you a huge boost to iconoclast which if you're somewhere around half way from iconoclast 3 to iconoclast 4 should bring your right over.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

I haven't gone "full" iconoclast. There are some choices that I'll chose the dogmatic approach, because going iconoclast on those instances would not make sense from my RT perspective. He's iconoclast but also faithful to the god emperor.

Having said that, I am at 257 points. About to finish the DLC, quetza temer is completed, I am only missing finishing footfall, which starts featuring some rank 4 checks.

[Taifun_Vash]

You left much out, especially all the points you can only get as a fanatic iconoclast, were you even adherent before you got to act 3?
For role playing some of it makes sense, but normally for any coviction you can reach rank 3 in act 2. Missing that isn't a problem as act 3 at most wants adherent, rank 2 for most things and you would leave it close to rank 4 at that point.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

You left much out, especially all the points you can only get as a fanatic iconoclast, were you even adherent before you got to act 3?
For role playing some of it makes sense, but normally for any coviction you can reach rank 3 in act 2. Missing that isn't a problem as act 3 at most wants adherent, rank 2 for most things and you would leave it close to rank 4 at that point.

Well this is an old save I had from the release date. I'm unsure if stuff changed. But I stayed iconoclast in most choices, except for "critical" stuff, for example ending of act 1, or anything that truly goes against my RT faith on the God emperor, that is a line my character would not cross.

I couldn't find a peaceful resolution to quetza tamer despite my attempt, apparently some prior choice prevented me from it. I am unsure how many points are missed there.

I know I can get like 40 points on footfall itself, but I am literally missing around 3. At this point I am unsure whether colony events can grant any points at all. I am mostly done with side quests.

[DarkonFullPower]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Well this is an old save I had from the release date.

There it is.

I am 90% sure there was a ideology points rebalance shortly after day 1.

Your save is more or less why the number needed to be tweaked.

[Morgian]

I reached rank 4 shortly before I had the confrontation with Chorda in Footfall. I was 3 points short after chapter 3 and got them in the bar I believe. I had also Dogmatic rank 2, since some decisions made more sense or were the only option other than heretic.
Some opportunities are a bit hidden and can be missed. You have to pick a dialogue option without an effect and that leads to one which does.

I am not sure, but maybe some things changed here and there. And you have the DLC stuff, although I cannot recall major points from that.

[Balekai]

Right now Iconoclast is the easiest to get to Rank 4, and likely the only one now with DLC that can get to 500 now.

I reached 299 I believe in Act 2/3, then Rank 4 at Act 4 start and by the end of Chapter 4 I was at 480. That's before the DLC.

[Morgian]

About rank 5 iconoclastic: I got during and after the Chorda encounter six times a +20 reward. Maybe it is the same with dogmatic and heretic, although elsewhere? Since that seems to be a massive boost that I don't recall from earlier runs.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Originally posted by Morgian:

I reached rank 4 shortly before I had the confrontation with Chorda in Footfall. I was 3 points short after chapter 3 and got them in the bar I believe. I had also Dogmatic rank 2, since some decisions made more sense or were the only option other than heretic.
Some opportunities are a bit hidden and can be missed. You have to pick a dialogue option without an effect and that leads to one which does.

I am not sure, but maybe some things changed here and there. And you have the DLC stuff, although I cannot recall major points from that.

I believe it's 40 (or Could be 60) points that can be gotten on footfall itself before you pick a course. I went there but after seeing I could not influence the people because I needed rank 4, I reloaded a save and decided to wait.

If it happens to be 40 I am still 3 short. And mind you, DLC did help, otherwise I would simply have no chance to reach rank 4.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Right now Iconoclast is the easiest to get to Rank 4, and likely the only one now with DLC that can get to 500 now.

I reached 299 I believe in Act 2/3, then Rank 4 at Act 4 start and by the end of Chapter 4 I was at 480. That's before the DLC.

The thing is that if you're going dogmatic or heretic there aren't any moral dilemmas that you're confronted with. My character is trying to do whatever is best for his people, but also has a duty to the imperium and the emperor. His personal ideals will not stand in the line of duty.

Had I gone dogmatic, I would simply pick the choice no questions asked. Same for heretic.

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by DarkonFullPower:

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Well this is an old save I had from the release date.

There it is.

I am 90% sure there was a ideology points rebalance shortly after day 1.

Your save is more or less why the number needed to be tweaked.

I didn't write that, you deleted the wrong one there.

There was a rebalance, but that was month later, up to half a year.
That didn't stop anyone from reaching rank 3 in any conviction in act 2, or at least get close to rank 3.

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by Disciple.:

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

You left much out, especially all the points you can only get as a fanatic iconoclast, were you even adherent before you got to act 3?
For role playing some of it makes sense, but normally for any coviction you can reach rank 3 in act 2. Missing that isn't a problem as act 3 at most wants adherent, rank 2 for most things and you would leave it close to rank 4 at that point.

Well this is an old save I had from the release date. I'm unsure if stuff changed. But I stayed iconoclast in most choices, except for "critical" stuff, for example ending of act 1, or anything that truly goes against my RT faith on the God emperor, that is a line my character would not cross.

I couldn't find a peaceful resolution to quetza tamer despite my attempt, apparently some prior choice prevented me from it. I am unsure how many points are missed there.

I know I can get like 40 points on footfall itself, but I am literally missing around 3. At this point I am unsure whether colony events can grant any points at all. I am mostly done with side quests.

The Quetza Temer solution needs, specific awareness tests, talking down Calligos right from the start of meeting him. At least one succeeded test while in the village of talking him down from the confrontation and one succeeded test when confronting the Aeldari. You need to de-escalate right from the beginning, otherwise there is no peaceful solution.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Originally posted by Disciple.:

Well this is an old save I had from the release date. I'm unsure if stuff changed. But I stayed iconoclast in most choices, except for "critical" stuff, for example ending of act 1, or anything that truly goes against my RT faith on the God emperor, that is a line my character would not cross.

I couldn't find a peaceful resolution to quetza tamer despite my attempt, apparently some prior choice prevented me from it. I am unsure how many points are missed there.

I know I can get like 40 points on footfall itself, but I am literally missing around 3. At this point I am unsure whether colony events can grant any points at all. I am mostly done with side quests.

The Quetza Temer solution needs, specific awareness tests, talking down Calligos right from the start of meeting him. At least one succeeded test while in the village of talking him down from the confrontation and one succeeded test when confronting the Aeldari. You need to de-escalate right from the beginning, otherwise there is no peaceful solution.

I think I tried to talk down the aeldari and the blue text regarding decisions said something about a past choice with them. I don't have a save of this point as it happened a while back.

I also didn't attempt to de-escalate the situation upon meeting Calligos.