Heretical Playthrough *Spoilers*

[Higgy]

So this is going to have a little rant as my heretical run is basically wasted now.

Going into Quetza Tamer I had 298/300 points in heretical and was hoping to somewhere get the last 2 for rank 4.... which never happened. So I missed the choice with Worten, then wasn't able to do the heretical choice for Idira.... then was not able to convert Eufrates and finish the heretical playthrough there.

I am playing on Daring Ironman, so it has been quite hard to get here, and I can't go back and see where I missed it.

It is so frustrating being 2 points off, and then in the heretical planet having LITERALLY 0 choices to make at any point. Even the Heretical choice at Uralon doesn't give you points, he just says you aren't devoted anough.

It means I won't get Rank 5 which I was hoping, for the achieves and stuff like that.

Anyone else had this problem, or aware of any hidden areas for Heretical points? It just feels bad that the threshold is so close as I was picking every heretical choice.

Thanks for listening, any tips may help a future playthrough, but probably not gonna do for a while.

[Alfred J. Kwak]

i reached it by picking it most of the times, but even i refused some choices, maybe you missed some dialogue? while replaying i saw a lot of opportunities to get like +5 from just the dialogue with followers in the ship

[Higgy]

Yeah I don't know, I picked Icono when there was no heretical option, but I thought I'd done a good job and got all the heretical i could.
I am playing without toybox though, so I am not seeing the points until I click the options.

[Morgian]

I was above rank 4 when on Quetza Temer, so it is possible. I did Footfall afterwards, which got me another 80 or 90 points (from the +20 choices).
I did pick most heretical choices, but not all - although those I avoided did not carry many points. I even sacrificed Foulstone, which prevents me from doing the Dargonus level 5 projects, for the +15 points.
My dogmatic companions warned me shortly before I hit 300 points, and left me when I spoke to the inquisitor on Footfall. I get Heinrix and Argenta, but why the heck does Yrliet leave? Even Heinrix is kinda strange...shouldn't this half-heretic stay and watch me for the inquisition? At least I got the obligatory ominous threat from him, so I suppose I meet him again on Epitaph.

I cannot list where I got the points, because I kept no record, but as a rule they became higher with each chapter. But I think the +20 choices on Footfall are the highest you get.

@Higgy: you can see your points when you mouse over your next heretical rank.

[Higgy]

So I kept Foulstone, and did Quetza Tamer as the last thing before being summoned, literally explored the entire rest of the map.
I also had the companions warn me before getting to 300. Is just sad I need to do an entire other Heretical run to get zealot and complete that side of the story.

@Morgian - Can you see a breakdown of points? I know I can see 298/300 but I doesn't seem to show everywhere you get them.

[Magni]

Originally posted by Morgian:

I even sacrificed Foulstone, which prevents me from doing the Dargonus level 5 projects, for the +15 points.

This is a mistake. Foulstone offers you more opportunities for heretical stuff in the long run if you keep it.

I get Heinrix and Argenta, but why the heck does Yrliet leave?

...because the Eldar really, really, really despise Chaos?

[Morgian]

No, I can only see the total. I thought you missed that from your text, but I was probably mistaken.

@Magni
I did not know it would cost me the colony permanently, since I had not chosen these decisions before, and I could not go back on grimdark. Later I hoped I would get it back somehow, since the quest to create a colony is still open, but that seems to be a vain hope. Which also killed the Dargonus tier V projects.
I just got to kill the spacewolves instead of the wordbearers, which is a fun variant for heretics. And I finally found out (at level 51) why people are so keen on being psykers. Must be the sword I cannot wield, and I play a bladedancer :(

[corisai]

Originally posted by Morgian:

And I finally found out (at level 51) why people are so keen on being psykers.

Nah, Dogmatic psyker >>> Heretic one :)

[Morgian]

It is the sword for me...here I am a primary melee (crimelord origin) and cannot use the darn blade because I would have to be a psyker. And I rellay don't want to respec and go through all the level choices again. But I probably must *sigh*

[Alfred J. Kwak]

on lvl 30 or so u can become unsanctioned psyker

[Morgian]

Thats why I said I don't want to respec at 51. I did it after all and the sword gets you as many perils of the warp as you can wish for, besides doing terrific damage.
Finished my heretic run now after taking control of the 'weapon' and taking over the expanse....for a while, at least...:)

[MacabreLion]

Originally posted by Higgy:

So this is going to have a little rant as my heretical run is basically wasted now.

Going into Quetza Tamer I had 298/300 points in heretical and was hoping to somewhere get the last 2 for rank 4.... which never happened. So I missed the choice with Worten, then wasn't able to do the heretical choice for Idira.... then was not able to convert Eufrates and finish the heretical playthrough there.

I am playing on Daring Ironman, so it has been quite hard to get here, and I can't go back and see where I missed it.

It is so frustrating being 2 points off, and then in the heretical planet having LITERALLY 0 choices to make at any point. Even the Heretical choice at Uralon doesn't give you points, he just says you aren't devoted anough.

It means I won't get Rank 5 which I was hoping, for the achieves and stuff like that.

Anyone else had this problem, or aware of any hidden areas for Heretical points? It just feels bad that the threshold is so close as I was picking every heretical choice.

Thanks for listening, any tips may help a future playthrough, but probably not gonna do for a while.

Did you try sacrificing one of your companions to the black void thing? should give you 5 points. There are 5 heretical points iirc from the end of heinrix companion quest too.

There is also 5 points you can get from Uralon if you didn't bring Pascal or Argenta with you to listen to the word bearer sermon on kiava gamma(act 2) in act 5 by reciting the sermon to him while hes on your ship. You also get like potentially 15 points depending on choices from bringing Marazhai with you out of Commoragh and his resulting scene after first void jump. There are also at least 20 heretical points in chapter 4 for genestealer content right after the scene you can make the dogmatic no heal vow for the last ship genestealer event iirc. Something with some random group of traitors a few steps past.

The Act 5 one isn't going to help with unlocking the extra chapter 4 dialogue, but the first two I mentioned might. Most of the points in chapter 4 are locked behind rank 4 dialogue on both footfall and quetza for all the convictions. Chapter 4 otherwise doesn't offer points anywhere else that wasn't available in chapter 2 if it still would be as far as I'm aware. Chapter 5 has no points (heretical) besides the Uralon one I mentioned as far as I can see anywhere.

[Taifun_Vash]

Originally posted by Morgian:

It is the sword for me...here I am a primary melee (crimelord origin) and cannot use the darn blade because I would have to be a psyker. And I rellay don't want to respec and go through all the level choices again. But I probably must *sigh*

Just do the psyker awakening in exemplar, did that with my warrior/executioner commissar.

[Iffy]

there is a google doc, with all the conviction choices, from the base game

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10JpZGH8xVKOt8nYojFU-cGmgKxXhia_84CvkwjQTjnw/edit?gid=723072965#gid=723072965

[Higgy]

Did you try sacrificing one of your companions to the black void thing? should give you 5 points. There are 5 heretical points iirc from the end of heinrix companion quest too.

There is also 5 points you can get from Uralon if you didn't bring Pascal or Argenta with you to listen to the word bearer sermon on kiava gamma(act 2) in act 5 by reciting the sermon to him while hes on your ship. You also get like potentially 15 points depending on choices from bringing Marazhai with you out of Commoragh and his resulting scene after first void jump. There are also at least 20 heretical points in chapter 4 for genestealer content right after the scene you can make the dogmatic no heal vow for the last ship genestealer event iirc. Something with some random group of traitors a few steps past.

I don't have the DLC so none for me from GSC. I had pasqal with me, so I guess I missed that bit. And I didn't get any from Heinrix quest which I was kinda hoping for. Just sad =( next run through I might try even harder. But it may be a while, just gonna finish this one, so at least I don't need to do it on Grim dark mode =P

[Higgy]

Originally posted by Iffy:

there is a google doc, with all the conviction choices, from the base game

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10JpZGH8xVKOt8nYojFU-cGmgKxXhia_84CvkwjQTjnw/edit?gid=723072965#gid=723072965

Thanks, I may use this =) does it require DLC, or is the sheet just base game?