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Subjugating? No evidence of that. The ending states that the Koronus Expanse becomes a Utopia for those trying to get out from under the oppressive rule of the Imperium proper. Not a subjugated region with a benevolent dictator Star God. :p
The RT is the benevolent dictator! :D :D
But seriously though you're ignoring all the stuff i mentioned before about the Valancius Philosophy of thought, basic minimal rights for all, governing councils made up of Nobles/Commoners like the Magna Carta and Conditional Monarchy.
That doesn't scream subjugation.
The Grimdark note in the Iconoclast ending is not Nomos. The grimdark note is the fact that the Koronus Expanse is on its own in a hostile Galaxy. A Hermit Kingdom that will have to deal with internal threats of corruption. That's the real threat. The "Rycads" of the region. Having to deal with problems on it's own that the Imperium as a Galaxy wide Empire with a Billion+ Worlds struggles with.
The Emperor got screwed because he's a ♥♥♥♥ that didn't plan appropriately for his sudden leave of absence and a whole bunch of bad luck. If it wasn't for Murphy's Law kicking in even after Horus' Rebellion had started, Humans would have been living in the Webway probably by this point. Everything just went wrong and it had more to do with his spoiled children (one that wanted to make him a god that started the Creed stuff) and himself, than his actual policies going sideways. It was the "exceptions" that were the problem (Primarchs), not the "rule" (Imperial Truth Imperium).
Just as Ork technology works because of Warp influence, or an Army of Battle Sisters can call upon faith to shoot holy bolter ammo, or Human crew of an ill fated Tau Expansion Fleet saved the remainder of it by praying hard enough to the Greater Good that they created a Greater Good Chaos Entity that threw the fleet back into Realscape, so too could a more Iconoclastic Imperium through better standards of living, happiness, better relations with less hostile Xenos, make belief a better situation and possibly lessen the Warps negative influence.
Possibly. :p :P
Not ignoring it per se, I just don't believe it is relevant. No matter how good the ending slides are, everything we know about 40k and C'tan specifically, suggests it will be merely the calm before the storm.
There is a also real chance, that Abaddon finally winning could be a boon. Phoenix rising from the ashes sort of thing. A snowballs chance in (mega-)hell perhaps but... a chance. This is similar. Yes, it COULD be a good ending....but it sure ain't likely.
In canon terms, the iconoclast approach is being either ignorant or naive about the realities of 40k. The whole premise is that humanity stands alone and EVERYTHING is out to get them. The RT does not necessarily know this of course, but as an outside observer we do.
It IS the good guy approach....but as you mentioned yourself, NOT eradicating genestealer cultists and such WILL doom those places. (if only hundreds of years from now but hey). You are being nice, but it will result in damning millions. Although I will say, the game does not do a good job of showing this.
And in the case of the daemon world, you are arguably literally damning them for all eternity instead of at least saving their souls (possibly :D) .
The inquisition are hypocrites. They are evil. They kill innocent civilians just because they can. They will kill millions of people just to kill a few heretics.
The inquisition HORDES XENOS TECH for themselves & murder people who try to use it themselves. this is not 'muh youtube shorts' lore, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Being fascist SS neo-gestapo in space doesn't make you good, actually.
A good place to base the conversation around:
The entity becomes a new Iconoclast being of curiosity, not subjugation.
The C'Tan Shard was transmuted into a new form, and their name was Nomos. Possessing the power of an ancient being and nurtured by the Rogue Trader, the young Star God watched over the Expanse, their new domain, with curiosity.
ZE HERESY CANNOT STAND! I mentioned this in another topic: Interesting that the Imperium proper knows of the events that occurred in the Expanse as it's completely cut off from the Imperium proper. Surviving Inquisitors going through the webway or soemthing? Other means of communication or the raging warp storms subside enough eventually for communication/travel (which does actually happen in the timeline in most places)? Were parts of the imperium, Inquisition proper and maybe even the High Lords of Terra in on the project all along in a desperate move to protect the imperium?
The Imperium could not forgive such insolent deviation from the order prescribed by Holy Terra. The Von Valancius dynasty was accused of the seditious formation of their own empire. An invasion fleet gathered in the Calixis Sector, and the lifespan of the young utopia was as short as it's creator's.
OR WAS IT? :D :D (bit of a miss match of epilogue slides, since this is used for default Iconoclast ending too that has no protection from the fleet save for the Maw. They should have made two different slides here to make it more clear. Also note that this may not be a mistake. Throughout the epilogues there's MANY new etudes being started/updated even one the last slide for "importing." Which begs the question? Are we getting an import save sequel/expansion? lol
Anyways moving on.
The threat isn't him. It's what lies in the Darkness of the Koronus Expanse without outside help.
Protecting the young Kingdom of freedom, Nomos created dimensional barriers that cut the Koronus Expanse off from the Imperium more soundly than the Great Rift. The Humanity of the Expanse was left in Isolation. Relying only on themselves, they either had to build something new and different from the Imperium or fall to the horrors lurking in the darkness.
It actually mentions that the "entity" is a "Shacked Monster" which I didn't remember. Which makes sense since you were still using the tech/research of the antagonist in addition to shackling the entity through your conviction influence. I was also wrong about him being a "total pacific." There was more than one exception. :D
The shackled monster under von Valancius's control ensured the survival of the fledgling utopia. The Star God destroyed all who threatened its peaceful civilians and instilled fear in those of little faith. The Expanse tasted the sweet fruit of freedom and tolerance with reverent fear.
However, this also supports a the idea that this is somewhat "Peace Through Power." Even though the entity is "hands off," it's still there ready to wipe out any who threaten that peace. What is that peace? What the RT deems it to be and the entity.
RT builds something new:
Gathering its bleeding worlds together again, the Rogue Trader dared to build something more noble and civilised in the Expanse - a haven for those drifting and unprotected in rthe strict hierarchy of the Imperium. It would be an unbound frontier. where freedom and compassion were not wholy extinct.
The Humanity in the Koronus Expanse post ending, with some grimdark, but hope for the movement gaining ground (as it did in real life after the Age of Enlightenment).
[spoilers]Rumours and stories of her humanitarian rule formed the foundation of the Valancean school of philosophy. The sect united commoners and aristocrats in the belief that for the Imperium to flourish, it should stop seeing subjects as mere tools. This dangerous heresy was denounced in many systems, but persecutions only hardened and multiplied its followers[/spoiler].
The "exception" i talked about:
Leaving the Necron systems behind, the Star God vengefully obliterated every Tomb World of the ancient xenos race. The old hatred of the C'tan, betrayed by their deathless servants, whispered inside him
Uh oh! :D
Note though that it doesn't actually state that he's one of them. Just their whispers within...
Good News: Necorn threat in the Koronus Expanse is gone.
Bad news: Whispers.
Janus/Aeldari Optimal Protectorate/Iconoclast mission routes (being nice with planet/mutants/aeldari throughout the game etc.). this tend sto be where most people have confusion about what's possible with Iconoclast decisions:
Protectorate outcome being nice with planet - Janus was conquered, the xenos spirits were exorcised, and the wilderness was subdued. The fields grew until covered the entire planet, and billions of tons of provisions were harvested there. Janus had become the breadbasket of the Expanse, and to threaten it would be to condemn millions to starvation
Allowing Winterscale refugees to settle on Janus - Janus became a melting pot for cultures from hundreds of worlds, taking in refugees from across the entire expanse in it's darkest hour. It became a stronghold and a symbol of hope. After the crisis passed, the refugees started to return to their home planets and to reclaim the lost worlds, thus earning Janus the proud name -- the Home of the Reconquista.
Being nice with Aeldari on Janus (*Spoilers* BUT MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT LET THEM GOVERN, KEEP CONTROL ALLOWING THEM TO STAY UNDER YOUR RULE! Pursuasion dogmatic check or "require Iconoclast" dialogue after that option) Despite grim expectations, the coexistence of humans and the Aeldari did not lead to enmity. Janus had faced many trials, and the struggle against them brought the two peoples together.
They did not develop an affection for one another, but they learned to speak with no weapons in their hands. More than one dangerous xenophile schism was born on Janus
Good ending for the sector in relation to Aeldari due to optimal Act 2, 3 and 4 decisions wuth them (Mostly Act 4) - Aeldari from the fallen craftworld Crudarach, who once travelled through the darkness of the Expanse in a desperate attempt to gather the remains of their kind, were becoming a rare sight. Even the most skilful Kasballica agents and audacious bounty hunters, with knowledge of xenos settlements on the edges of the Expanse, could no longer find their trail. Squads of Aeldari rangers suddenly appeared on different worlds and dissapeared abruptly without shedding a drop of blod. their purpose remained an enigma.
The news of the xenos appearing in the Expanse was followed by a report from the agri-world Janus about a strange flash in the night sky. When the light disappeared, authorities sent patrols out that located a xenos camp among ancient ruins. Their trail ended near a white monument - a Webway Gate. Where this path led the Aeldari only their Farseers know.
Time spent on the same world as mon-keigh pushed the Farseer Muaran toward reflection. When the Webway Gate awoke on Janus and squads of Aeldari rangers stepped onto their ancestors world, he averted a bloodbath. Granting the Lilaethan and its new and naive citizens his blessing, he disappeared through a shining portal, departing for a new home.
There's more but not really needed for this convo. I already went over things like Rykad briefly.
WE GOT A KNIFE EARED OVER HERE!!
I already see that as a thing really. In my own headcannon, my Nomos keeping his promise to try and find a way to reverse death after killing the Technomat somewhat accidentally (ignorantly), tries just that as his beloved creator ages/dies. This leads to the RT becoming very similar to what happens to the RT in the Shard ending, but 50-100% less souless android douche. Sort of a "Living Saint" of Nomos.
Or the 40K version of Mary. Immaculate Conception. Blessed Mother etc etc.
Totally heretical!
Regardless, I also think the Expanse would start to flirt a lot with Xeno tech incorporating Aeldari, Necron/C'Tan and ever Halo tech. I think of a Iconoclast Expanse much the same way as the Babylon Station in the Babylon 5 series that starts out as a humble space UN, to being a force to be reckoned with bolstered by it's alliances, their sharing of technology and secrets that helps them beat back the coming darkness and even liberate Earth that becomes corrupted.
All that said, I have mentioned in other topics that the design and narrative of the Koronus Expanse has always been to separate it from the rest of the Galaxy as a tabletop sandbox adventure divorced from Galactic events and vice versa.
I don't think GW will ever make anything in RT canon other than "Some unknown stuff went down in the Koronus Expanse and is still mysteriously cut off form the rest of the Galaxy. No one truly knows what happened rather than spotty reports and legends."
The one who's reflecting badly upon themselves is not him. Bringing up culture war idealism and being wrong on 90% of the things you have stated, doesn't make him a tourist or you right even if he was.
If anything, it makes you the tourist desperately trying to fight an unrelated cause in a game forum over a video game who's setting you don't understand as much as you think you do.
Which is kind of sad.
If you can't do civil discussion without calling people names for correctly stating things as they actually are, then you should probably learn to agree to disagree and move on with maturity. :)
no u
no u!! I said so first! :D
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There's rules to this!!!
Everything about you is a cry for help.
I actually voted for Trump, though. Maybe when you're old enough to vote you can have a normal conversation with people. Come back when your prefrontal cortex has developed