I just realized....

[Parallaxe]

Hello.

I just realized that we are actually playing an Inquisitor. A group of odd companions and uncovering heretical cults and xeno corruption while pretending to be some posh Rogue Trader.

It all makes sense now.

[Datau]

Originally posted by Gak:

I've got to disagree there? A typical Rogue Trader should be EXPLORING, not sitting on their ass. That's what the warrant of trade is for. Finding new ways to generate a profit outside the borders of the Imperium, not sit around and organize stuff inside the borders. That's a job for a governor, not a Rogue Trader!

Well, yes, but there are matters that simply can't be left into the hands of your governors because they are well above their paygrade. Trade agreements at the subsector level or above, alliances with Navigator houses, the Ecclesiarchy, the Mechanicus or any other major political entities, planetary invasions to bring glory and riches to your dynasty...

All of these matters are incredibly profitable, but none of them can be handled by a governor, so at least some oversight is required.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Ash:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Which ones, nobody in 40k can outrun a bullet, youre also bringing 5 jokesters from which realistically maybe 2 are proper combat specialists.

Outrun? Maybe not. Dodge? Plenty of people and not exactly people. Block with armour/refractor field/warp shenanigans/etc? Shedload of people and not exactly people. Just tough bullet out, spit and move on? Hell, that's practically requirement for ANY guardsmen.

Infact its specified, youre not dodging attacks you cant see coming, you are not fast enough to dodge bullet but youre fast enough to make aiming harder.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Who, your rogue trader possesses no such device, these are pieces which not even high ranking might have access to and xenomesh is paper against any weaponry more destructive than lasgun.

Our Rogue Trader has them by the time they get their dynasty working again, which is the time they reach actual Rogue Trader levels of power. And Xenomesh is perfectly capable of deflecting lasCANNON shots, depending on the xenomesh in question, of course.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Infact its specified, youre not dodging attacks you cant see coming, you are not fast enough to dodge bullet but youre fast enough to make aiming harder.

In warhammer 40k, people dodge (or catch) the bullets themselves all the time. Most of those people, of course, are Eldar, not humans, but that's besides the point. Rogue Traders opperate on the power levels of Space Marines. You're gonna need to put in A LOT of effort to kill them. More than any random hiver can muster. Heck, random hivescum having access to autocannons to begin with is pretty laughable.

[George W. Kush]

a rogue trader is nothing like a space marine. please educate your self on the difference between a human and a space marine

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Gak:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Who, your rogue trader possesses no such device, these are pieces which not even high ranking might have access to and xenomesh is paper against any weaponry more destructive than lasgun.

Our Rogue Trader has them by the time they get their dynasty working again, which is the time they reach actual Rogue Trader levels of power. And Xenomesh is perfectly capable of deflecting lasCANNON shots, depending on the xenomesh in question, of course.

No my mate, titan is not capable of going unscratched by the lascannon.
Space superiority fighter uses lascannons.

It is premier anti tank weapon of imperium, mounted on anything from chimera through predator, leman russ, dreadnoughts, up to baneblade.

Also it definitely is not a refractor, you would be walking glowing bubble while conversion would blind everyone around if you were shot.

Originally posted by Gak:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Infact its specified, youre not dodging attacks you cant see coming, you are not fast enough to dodge bullet but youre fast enough to make aiming harder.

In warhammer 40k, people dodge (or catch) the bullets themselves all the time. Most of those people, of course, are Eldar, not humans, but that's besides the point. Rogue Traders opperate on the power levels of Space Marines. You're gonna need to put in A LOT of effort to kill them. More than any random hiver can muster. Heck, random hivescum having access to autocannons to begin with is pretty laughable.

Rogue traders are just humans, by the nature of their job not even particularly good fighters, thats why they employ arch militants, another human usually ex imperial guard or navy armsmen or arbites, whos to act as their troop commander and bodyguard.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Narthan Dume:

a rogue trader is nothing like a space marine. please educate your self on the difference between a human and a space marine

Archeotech and Xenotech can get any human to space marine levels of combat performance. Educate yourself on the lore before you comment on it.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

No my mate, titan is not capable of going unscratched by the lascannon.
Space superiority fighter uses lascannons.

It is premier anti tank weapon of imperium, mounted on anything from chimera through predator, leman russ, dreadnoughts, up to baneblade.

Also it definitely is not a refractor, you would be walking glowing bubble while conversion would blind everyone around if you were shot.

I was using "refractor fields" as a generic catch-all term for man-portable energy fields, since "energy fields" usually refers to much bulkier devices. Be it displacer fields, conversion fields, actual refractor shields, mirror shields, or whatever exotic xeno variant they dug up on a forgotten world.

As for lascannon, we have countless instances in novels and stories in codices where they directly hit something and have no effect. Xenomesh is also just a generic term, I'm not referring to the actual "xenomesh" in the RT rulebooks, since that's starter gear you grow out of within two or three sessions of play. I'm referring to the hides of legendary beasts, the vestments of forgotten xeno kings, necrontyr ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that kinda stuff. The kinda exotic gear actually established Rogue Traders have access to.

Rogue traders are just humans, by the nature of their job not even particularly good fighters, thats why they employ arch militants, another human usually ex imperial guard or navy armsmen or arbites, whos to act as their troop commander and bodyguard.

Again, "Rogue Traders" in this case was referring to the personal entourage of the Rogue Trader, not just the actual bearer of the warrant themselves. But! Even so, with enough Archeotch and Xenotech a Rogue Trader who doesn't even specialize in combat can get to the level where they can duel space marines and expect to win with reasonable odds. And those who specialize on it, like that arch militant, can take on multiple at once without too much trouble.

[Parallaxe]

Hello.

Gak, you are talking nonsense. You make it sound as if you could easily take on a space marine with a xeno gadget. I want to see that rogue trader who think they can go toe to toe with an astartes, no matter the toys they have.

Sure there exist some horrificly powerful devices in 40k but they are rare and dangerous and nearly all of them are SUPER heretic stuff. Showing something like this off is a death sentence. Assassins or inquisition will come for you.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Parallaxe:

Hello.

Gak, you are talking nonsense. You make it sound as if you could easily take on a space marine with a xeno gadget. I want to see that rogue trader who think they can go toe to toe with an astartes, no matter the toys they have.

Sure there exist some horrificly powerful devices in 40k but they are rare and dangerous and nearly all of them are SUPER heretic stuff. Showing something like this off is a death sentence. Assassins or inquisition will come for you.

Digi-melta. Perfectly "legal" and kills a Space Marine without warning. There. But that's missing the point.

Do you not understand what the Warrant of Trade is? Rogue Traders are ALLOWED to own xenos devices. They EXIST to obtain xenos devices. Should they go about flashing them off in front of an assembled company of sisters of battle? Probably not. But the Inquisition is well aware of the role they play in the Imperial Ecosystem.

A Rogue Trader's personal armory contains the deadliest devices of a thousand dead worlds. They have the means to take out Space Marines. They have companions who are used to deal with things much scarier than Space Marines on the regular.

Space Marines are powerful, but Rogue Traders exist on a different power scale from normal human beings.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Gak:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

No my mate, titan is not capable of going unscratched by the lascannon.
Space superiority fighter uses lascannons.

It is premier anti tank weapon of imperium, mounted on anything from chimera through predator, leman russ, dreadnoughts, up to baneblade.

Also it definitely is not a refractor, you would be walking glowing bubble while conversion would blind everyone around if you were shot.

I was using "refractor fields" as a generic catch-all term for man-portable energy fields, since "energy fields" usually refers to much bulkier devices. Be it displacer fields, conversion fields, actual refractor shields, mirror shields, or whatever exotic xeno variant they dug up on a forgotten world.

As for lascannon, we have countless instances in novels and stories in codices where they directly hit something and have no effect. Xenomesh is also just a generic term, I'm not referring to the actual "xenomesh" in the RT rulebooks, since that's starter gear you grow out of within two or three sessions of play. I'm referring to the hides of legendary beasts, the vestments of forgotten xeno kings, necrontyr ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that kinda stuff. The kinda exotic gear actually established Rogue Traders have access to.

Rogue traders are just humans, by the nature of their job not even particularly good fighters, thats why they employ arch militants, another human usually ex imperial guard or navy armsmen or arbites, whos to act as their troop commander and bodyguard.

Again, "Rogue Traders" in this case was referring to the personal entourage of the Rogue Trader, not just the actual bearer of the warrant themselves. But! Even so, with enough Archeotch and Xenotech a Rogue Trader who doesn't even specialize in combat can get to the level where they can duel space marines and expect to win with reasonable odds. And those who specialize on it, like that arch militant, can take on multiple at once without too much trouble.

Energy fields is general term, refractor is specific, beyond that also exist conversion, displacer and power field.
Refractor is used mostly by militant techpriests.
Conversion fields are rarely used by religious forces in form of rosarius, marines also have their own version in form of iron halo, there are also examples of old conversion fields sometimes passing hands but theyre so rare that it was a surprise that high lord of terra had one.
Power fields are usually too big for individual, most of them are pulled behind tank on dedicated carriage.

Xenomesh is form of light armor made of xeno materials(usually eldar) which is easily concealable under clothes.

As for lascannon, i dont recall but then i havent read all the books, i also get a feeling you confuse it with lasgun, we have however 1 example from memory, where officio assasinorum used it against a marine who was wearing horus armor and it killed them on spot with armor having no effect.

Your eldar aspect warrior who is trianing for millenia due to virtually limitless lifespan and having single minded focus due to eldar psychology and path system still aint a match for space marine.

There are prodigies who might be able to win a combat vs marine, but they are extremely rare.
Eversor can win a fight against marine, but they are not only the most augmented humans alive but they also swimming in cocktail of combat drugs to the point where they can only fight for so long before their body destroys itself. These individuals are taken from birth from the most suitable candidates and raised to perform a single assassination in their entire life. In one of the novels 100 eversors took on 1000 marines and it ended in all of them being dead and 1 marine remaining.

[Parallaxe]

Hello.

geeeez Gak...a thousand dead worlds...for sure.

With that power I bet they tea bag necron lords for fun. If 10 of them would come together they could easily take down Abaddon.

Of course that is only in your head and does not match the actual lore but it is fun to think about, I admit.

[Ammo Donkey]

Originally posted by Parallaxe:

Hello.

geeeez Gak...a thousand dead worlds...for sure.

With that power I bet they tea bag necron lords for fun. If 10 of them would come together they could easily take down Abaddon.

Of course that is only in your head and does not match the actual lore but it is fun to think about, I admit.

I did, admittedly, lean a little into theatrics there. The actual lore is that Rogue Traders have easy access to digiweapons. Which kill space marines. They have access to archeotech plasma pistols. Which kill space marines. They have access to eldar technology. Which kills space marines. They have access to Larn Cutters, Argonite Whistlers, Crux Beams, Fractal Blades, Foul Sceptres and Lightburners. All of which kill space marines.

Does every Rogue Trader have all of these? No, obviously not. But even in "the actual lore" you refer to, each and every Rogue Trader has access to a vast arsenal of whatever freaky xenotech the author made up that morning.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Gak:

Originally posted by Parallaxe:

Hello.

geeeez Gak...a thousand dead worlds...for sure.

With that power I bet they tea bag necron lords for fun. If 10 of them would come together they could easily take down Abaddon.

Of course that is only in your head and does not match the actual lore but it is fun to think about, I admit.

I did, admittedly, lean a little into theatrics there. The actual lore is that Rogue Traders have easy access to digiweapons. Which kill space marines. They have access to archeotech plasma pistols. Which kill space marines. They have access to eldar technology. Which kills space marines. They have access to Larn Cutters, Argonite Whistlers, Crux Beams, Fractal Blades, Foul Sceptres and Lightburners. All of which kill space marines.

Does every Rogue Trader have all of these? No, obviously not. But even in "the actual lore" you refer to, each and every Rogue Trader has access to a vast arsenal of whatever freaky xenotech the author made up that morning.

Do you know what digi weapons are?

They are miniaturised weapons crammed inside mundane objects, like monocles or rings.

So great, rogue trader found somewhere and paid a fortune to have a hidden ring which can shoot a melta beam at short range once.

Do you know what weapons does imperial guard have access to? melta and multimelta.

From list youve given, argonite is minor race of xenos which are named after rogue trader who discovered their ships, their homeworld was never discovered and only a couple examples of this weapon even exist.
Its also less effective weapon than a plasma or melta gun...

You sound like you played >a< rogue trader campaign once with dm which given you plenty of handouts and you base your knowledge on that.

By the standard your typical deathwatch pc marine is kitted out in relics from head to toe and can kill a greater deamon on charge...

[Parallaxe]

Hello.

There are plenty of weapons that can kill a space marine. And yet most people fail to do so.
Why? Because just having the firepower in theory does not make a dead astartes. They tend to avoid attacks and fight back.

If you had a digi melta, would you dare to attack an astartes? If you mess up your first shot and miss or only wound that guy you will most likely not get another chance.