How do you like this compared to other cRPGs?

[Space Cowboy]

So, my favorites are BG1 & 2 (I usually count them as one game since they have a continuous storyline), Fallout 2, New Vegas, Divinity Original Sin 1, Tyranny and I'm currently near the end of act 2 in Baldur's Gate 3.

BG1 + 2 as well as Fallout 2 probably take up first and second place.
Third place is currently a draw between Baldur's Gate 3 (of which I haven't made up my mind quite yet) and Rogue trader (which I finished) and I'm hard pressed to tell which I enjoy more.

Rogue Trader clicked almost instantly for me and I found it quite easy to get into it - thing is - the system is actually pretty easy to understand if you read all the tooltips.
With BG3 it's the opposite. The system looks easy enough on first glance but the game doesn't explain itself nearly as well as Rogue Trader, so I found it a lot harder to play it well. Granted - the battles in BG3 are overall easier compared to Rogue Trader (at least up to Act 2) so that you can get by even with a mediocre build but understanding all the systems was a bit of a chore and required some Wiki research and many forum questions to get it down. I'm close to getting the hang of it, though.

If Rogue Trader's gets a meaty chunk of DLC content including more of the same with good choices and consequences, maybe adds one or two new romance options and generally integrates well into the main game or expands it, it might actually take away the victory over BG3 in the end.

[Space Cowboy]

Almost forgot to mention the main reason why I like Rogue Trader so much apart from the system - it's the writing. It's some of the best I've ever encountered in any videogame - or book for that matter. Truly excellent and I can't praise it enough - although it gave my translator a good workout since I'm not a native speaker.

[Wonyo]

Originally posted by Space Cowboy:

Almost forgot to mention the main reason why I like Rogue Trader so much apart from the system - it's the writing. It's some of the best I've ever encountered in any videogame - or book for that matter. Truly excellent and I can't praise it enough - although it gave my translator a good workout since I'm not a native speaker.

Best way to learn a language!

[SoundsOfNight]

I'd say I like it more than Pathfinder: WoTR but slightly less than Kingmaker. But it's still early and with more patches and DLC it could become great.

It's not even close to BG2 tho. Most games arent except for maybe the Souls series in the freedom, love, and care departments.

[Goose]

I like it a lot. The pacing is pretty good so far, I'm 6 hours in. Been a 40k fan for like 20 years so it's cool to finally see a real RPG video game

[Space Cowboy]

Originally posted by Wonyo:

Originally posted by Space Cowboy:

Almost forgot to mention the main reason why I like Rogue Trader so much apart from the system - it's the writing. It's some of the best I've ever encountered in any videogame - or book for that matter. Truly excellent and I can't praise it enough - although it gave my translator a good workout since I'm not a native speaker.

Best way to learn a language!

Absolutely! My english vocabulary is usually good enough to understand videogames and series or movies without having to look up anything. This was the exception, though. Especially act 3 with a certain Harlequin . All worth it, though - I often just glance over any optional notes and books and stuff but in this I basically inhaled every piece of writing the game has to offer.

[LoonStriker]

My favourites:
1- Rogue Trader - don't know why, i'm not even a big warhammer fan but i think is the classes and combat system that in unlike other CRPG's.
2 - Shadowrun trilogy - with Dragonfall being my favourite of the 3.
3- BG3;
4- Wasteland 2 and 3
5- Expeditions Conquistador, i don't like Vikings and Rome was so-so.
6- Divinity OS 1.

I also am into military strategy games as i love military history.

But i am still missing a lot. I am yet to play: Pillars 1-2, Solasta, both Pathfinders.
I absolutely don't enjoy Divinity OS 2 combat system and can't play it.
About BG1 and 2 and Fallout 1 and 2 i can't play them, they look so old and clunky.
I'm sure they were great but i can't play games older than 2000 as i was born in 1993 and began to play in the 2000.

[Space Cowboy]

Originally posted by LoonStriker:

About BG1 and 2 and Fallout 1 and 2 i can't play them, they look so old and clunky.
I'm sure they were great but i can't play games older than 2000 as i was born in 1993 and began to play in the 2000.

I wouldn't worry too much about BG1 and 2 beeing too clunky. It is a lot less complex and complicated than BG3 and the interface is also more accessible. Back in the days I didn't even bother with the manual - I just played the games and understood what's going on instantly. I think with the enhanced editions they even added a couple of quality of life improvements. I'd argue that BG3 is actually more clunky than BG1 and 2, tbh.

[Lywelyn]

tbh Owlcat is doing a good job with how they progressed so far, WotR and Rogue Trader are to me of a much better quality than BG3. i'd say these 2 are solid CRPG reference for modern days... if we're going a few decades back tho i'd say ... Neverwinter nights ? hardly the only one that left me with good memories.

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by LoonStriker:

About BG1 and 2 and Fallout 1 and 2 i can't play them, they look so old and clunky.
I'm sure they were great but i can't play games older than 2000 as i was born in 1993 and began to play in the 2000.

I understand everyone has their own barrier of entry for old games, but the enhanced editions of BG1 and 2 are very comfortable to play, and Fallout 1 and 2 come from a relatively "modern" era where the interface made huge strides away from the genuine clunkiness of DOS games.

But if you absolutely cannot stand them, give Underrail a try - in my opinion, it's the best CRPG since Fallout 2, and it captures that post-apocalyptic feeling perfectly.

[Thrax]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

Originally posted by LoonStriker:

About BG1 and 2 and Fallout 1 and 2 i can't play them, they look so old and clunky.
I'm sure they were great but i can't play games older than 2000 as i was born in 1993 and began to play in the 2000.

I understand everyone has their own barrier of entry for old games, but the enhanced editions of BG1 and 2 are very comfortable to play, and Fallout 1 and 2 come from a relatively "modern" era where the interface made huge strides away from the genuine clunkiness of DOS games.

But if you absolutely cannot stand them, give Underrail a try - in my opinion, it's the best CRPG since Fallout 2, and it captures that post-apocalyptic feeling perfectly.

2nd Underrail.
Very good.

[Space Cowboy]

Originally posted by .//slayer:

Originally posted by LoonStriker:

About BG1 and 2 and Fallout 1 and 2 i can't play them, they look so old and clunky.
I'm sure they were great but i can't play games older than 2000 as i was born in 1993 and began to play in the 2000.

I understand everyone has their own barrier of entry for old games, but the enhanced editions of BG1 and 2 are very comfortable to play, and Fallout 1 and 2 come from a relatively "modern" era where the interface made huge strides away from the genuine clunkiness of DOS games.

But if you absolutely cannot stand them, give Underrail a try - in my opinion, it's the best CRPG since Fallout 2, and it captures that post-apocalyptic feeling perfectly.

I'm enjoying BG3, don't get me wrong, but the interface and especially the inventory management is plain garbage. Seriously, compared to this, even the original versions of BG 1 & 2 are smooth sailing - let alone the enhanced editions.

[BoogieMan]

-The story is good.

-The characters are good.

-The dialogue is good, if perhaps a bit verbose at times. A fair amount of the skill/dialogue checks seem unreasonably high, especially considering the large number of stats.

-The world building is good.

-Fun power fantasy.

-Combat is average.

-Combat AI is dumb as a bag of rocks.

-Most of the classes, perks, abilities and such - I do not care for at all. I personally do not like all the abstract buffs and modifiers and conditional applications of this or that.

-The weapons aren't balanced very well. Many of them seems to be nearly worthless.

-The ability descriptors not auto calculating their formulas and telling you exactly what they do for the selected character is tedious and was a bizarrely poor decision.

-I like the ship combat, but the navigation gets a bit tedious with the encounters.

-The character leveling UI is a mess, it would be nice to be able to filter out unavailable and already selected options so the list isn't so long.

-Fair bit of bugs and other oddities. Patches have helped quite a bit, though.


Overall I enjoy the game and would recommend it to anyone who likes the genre, but it would have greatly benefited from more time and polish instead of being rushed out on the stage in a disheveled and unprepared state. When I look at Rogue Trader and compare it to Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous, if I didn't know I would have thought Rogue Trader was their first game, not their 3rd. It has a weird duality of half of the game experience being excellent, while the other half is.. less so.

It's made me more interested in Warhammer 40k, which I always wanted to learn more about, so it's helped me with that.

[Fistimus Maximus]

agree bg1/2, wrath of the righteous, wasteland 3, kingmaker, pillars1/2. Really enjoying rogue trader as there are so few good warhammer games.first playthrough just reached act 4. wish had done on hardest setting as atm doing on the second hardest and far to easy.

[Coldhands]

More than Pathfinder or DOS, less than Pillars of Eternity 1 or 2. Maybe about the same as BG3.

[Raynn von Valancius]

It's currently running third or fourth in my 'all-time' CRPG list. Icewind Dale 2 just clicked with me for some reason all those years ago, followed by BG1, and then this title flips back and forth with BG3.

While BG3 is miles ahead in production value, voice acting, and overall immersion, the way RT lets players 'LIVE' in the 40k universe is damn good. This is why I rate it so high as I tend to rate based on a narrative point of view versus technical.

If we get into the technical side of things, the game is average at best. Skill tree bloat, weapon balance, Act 3 alone, and a few other issues would make it fall further down the list if I calculated that into it. But in my mind, story and immersion are king in RPGs, computer-based or otherwise, and this title does that exceptionally well.

While I would never put this title in a 'best game of all time' list, I can definitely give it a full recommend if you like solid story, 40k, or sci-fi in general.

My top 10 CRPG list follows:
Icewind Dale 2
Baldur's Gate 1
Baldur's Gate 3
Rogue Trader
Neverwinter Nights(not the 'traditional' CRPG style but I lost large portions of my 20s to this)
Shadow Run Trilogy (Returns, Dragonfall, Hong Kong)
Fallout Tactics
Arcanum