"The Emperor" description in game

[Enola Gay]

I never noticed this before, but what is the game implying when it says in the emperor description "Most would be driven mad with despair if they knew the truth"

[Coldhands]

Nguyên văn bởi Sliscus:

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

I always disliked the theory that the Emperor is an ancient super being walking among us since the dawn of time and somehow not discovered for 25,000 years.

My favorite Emperor origin theory has always been that he was made in a lab near the end of the Age of Technology as part of a program to create superhuman pskyers who could protect humanity from the warp, but wasn’t finished before Earth collapsed into the Age of Strife. It fits 40k’s whole melancholy vibe of humanity’s potential always being unfulfilled because people are flawed and inevitably **** it up in end.

I prefer the fact that he's a super soul created by multiple people, so he sees himself as "more" which is ultimately the flaw that causes his downfall. His detachment from his sons indirectly causing the Horus Heresy.

I always attribute The Emperor's inability to understand the little picture or account for fallible human decision making to him having been purpose built to be an immortal guardian of humanity who would exist primarily in the Warp, and not the emperor of mankind. He's basically the remains of the Age of Technology's knee-jerk overreaction to a massive threat they didn't fully understand. And then his purpose was taken from him when Earth collapsed and he's left as a lone superhuman among the ashes of the concept he's supposed to protect. He was never meant to rule but there wasn't anybody left who could, so he did his best and ****ed it up.

Or maybe he didn't. Maybe the plan all along was to show mankind the Warp (via Horus) and scare them into becoming a society built on blind, terrified faith in The Emperor as a god, so that he could draw on that emotion and be powerful enough to shield mankind from the worst the Powers of Chaos could throw at them like he was always designed to do. Who knows.

[Sliscus]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in ( I think 1st ed or 2nd) there was a bit of fluff that that that the Emperor and Horus' bodies were nearly indistinguishable, and my headcanon was that the *Emperor* was the one that died and the body on the golden throne being tortured for ten thousand years was Horus, and the purpose of the black crusades was the CSMs trying to retrieve him.

It's super debunked by nearly every piece of lore that has followed but I always liked that idea.

[Coldhands]

Nguyên văn bởi Sliscus:

waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in ( I think 1st ed or 2nd) there was a bit of fluff that that that the Emperor and Horus' bodies were nearly indistinguishable, and my headcanon was that the *Emperor* was the one that died and the body on the golden throne being tortured for ten thousand years and the purpose of the black crusades was the CSMs trying to retrieve him.

It's super debunked by nearly every piece of lore that has followed but I always liked that idea.

Oooh, that's a cool theory. They should bring that back as a possibility. Not confirm it, just ... it might be.

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

ITT a bunch of cool lore that owlcat completely failed to meaningfully incorporate into their game.

But hey the levels look like 40k setting, and there are guns and people saying the word "heretic", so it's a 40k game right?

[Platork]

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

ITT a bunch of cool lore that owlcat completely failed to meaningfully incorporate into their game.

But hey the levels look like 40k setting, and there are guns and people saying the word "heretic", so it's a 40k game right?

Basically all of what is discussed here is totally out of scope of a Rogue Trader game. Maybe if they adapted Dark Heresy into a CRPG, it could maybe come up, but as is, there isn't any scenario where Rogue Traders out in the fringe of the Imperium would have enough influence or opportunity to learn of it.

[Mister Magician]

All this nu-lore is so contradictory to the heart of the game, it really just seems to be there to spite the player-base more than anything.

[Coldhands]

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

ITT a bunch of cool lore that owlcat completely failed to meaningfully incorporate into their game.

But hey the levels look like 40k setting, and there are guns and people saying the word "heretic", so it's a 40k game right?

Why would a Rogue Trader game deal with the origins of The Emperor?

[LArc7thHeaven]

The problem is the game setting is around the end of 41st millenia to 42nd, because they mentioned cicatrix maledictum hence this game set after fall of cadia while original tabletop is the first inception of 40k hence should be around times before Bobby G ressurection

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

ITT a bunch of cool lore that owlcat completely failed to meaningfully incorporate into their game.

But hey the levels look like 40k setting, and there are guns and people saying the word "heretic", so it's a 40k game right?

Why would a Rogue Trader game deal with the origins of The Emperor?

Goodnpoint.... I guess there is no way to make a fictional story intertwine with another different fictional story.

[Mister Magician]

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

Why would a Rogue Trader game deal with the origins of The Emperor?

Goodnpoint.... I guess there is no way to make a fictional story intertwine with another different fictional story.

The game already has a totally contrived, "no one actually talks like this in real life," lore-breaking nu-atheist bent from the dialogue, I'm shocked they didn't put that into every conversation.

[Balekai]

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

ITT a bunch of cool lore that owlcat completely failed to meaningfully incorporate into their game.

But hey the levels look like 40k setting, and there are guns and people saying the word "heretic", so it's a 40k game right?

Why would a Rogue Trader game deal with the origins of The Emperor?

This

Nguyên văn bởi LArc7thHeaven:

The problem is the game setting is around the end of 41st millenia to 42nd, because they mentioned cicatrix maledictum hence this game set after fall of cadia while original tabletop is the first inception of 40k hence should be around times before Bobby G ressurection

And this.

The game does actually fit and explore 40K lore properly and within the context of the ignorance of those in game, and the enforced Imperial dogma under the theocratic Imperial Creed, rather than the Emperor's original and mostly forgotten secular Imperial Truth.

The more you delve into the Emperors past the more you understand that his character and motivations are "controversial." At least his means to an end which of course blew up in his face and possibly doomed all Humanity going forward.

I was going to quote myself from another topic from a long time ago... then I noticed. THIS IS THE SAME TOPIC AND THE ANSWERS ARE ON THE FIRST PAGE! :D :D

See my posts and other good posts (if I may say so myself lol) on the previous page. lol

What are you guys trying to do resurrect the Emperor with topic necroing or something?!?! :p :P

[Coldhands]

Nguyên văn bởi The Sylvan Learning Center:

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

Why would a Rogue Trader game deal with the origins of The Emperor?

Goodnpoint.... I guess there is no way to make a fictional story intertwine with another different fictional story.

Not if one is a spin-off video game about exploring the fringes of the Imperium as a Rogue Trader and the other is demystifying one of the biggest, most important secrets of the setting's decades-long background lore (which is the last thing 40K should do).

[Mister Magician]

Nguyên văn bởi Balekai:

-The game does actually fit and explore 40K lore properly and within the context of the ignorance of those in game, and the enforced Imperial dogma under the theocratic Imperial Creed, rather than the Emperor's original and mostly forgotten secular Imperial Truth.-

See:

Nguyên văn bởi Mister Magician:

All this nu-lore is so contradictory to the heart of the game, it really just seems to be there to spite the player-base more than anything.

Nguyên văn bởi Mister Magician:

The game already has a totally contrived, "no one actually talks like this in real life," lore-breaking nu-atheist bent from the dialogue, I'm shocked they didn't put that into every conversation.

[Balekai]

Nguyên văn bởi Mister Magician:

Nguyên văn bởi Balekai:

-The game does actually fit and explore 40K lore properly and within the context of the ignorance of those in game, and the enforced Imperial dogma under the theocratic Imperial Creed, rather than the Emperor's original and mostly forgotten secular Imperial Truth.-

See:

Nguyên văn bởi Mister Magician:

All this nu-lore is so contradictory to the heart of the game, it really just seems to be there to spite the player-base more than anything.

Nguyên văn bởi Mister Magician:

The game already has a totally contrived, "no one actually talks like this in real life," lore-breaking nu-atheist bent from the dialogue, I'm shocked they didn't put that into every conversation.

I saw those and I disagreed, thus why I quoted the other posts. :)

It's not "nu-lore."

It's just lore. Current lore.

Rogue Trader's (this game) lore is already very lore based and baked into the 40K franchise through current novelisation and current 40K current happenings.

It's not Owlcat's fault that 40K fans may or may not like current 40K lore and 40K present day timeline. It is what it is and the game doesn't change that.

The Koronus Expanse is a sandbox designed for Roleplay Tabletop play, purposely removed from the rest of the galaxy even for the original IP and game. A super incredibly small sliver/part of the Imperium like the Sword Coast of the Forgotten Realms, but even more insignificant to the rest of the world around it. To the point it's more like a room in a house in Baldur's Gate in the Sword Coast. That's what the Koronus Expanse is to the rest of the Imperium and what happens there.

It was actually a good idea for the developers to fast forward the Rogue Trader setting into the early 42nd Millennium.

Not only does it make the game more appealing to 40K fans that don't want to be playing "prequels" essentially, but it further isolated the Koronus Expanse from the rest of the Galaxy. That way any possibly "whacky" in-game developments have absolutely no lore effect on the setting/Galaxy and Games Workshop doesn't have to recon/dismiss anything as non canon. This will make players feel better about their choices in game and via the epilogues. Not that it wouldn't be easy for GW to do because GW constantly disrespects/retcons their own lore and timelines sometimes novel to novel lol.

I doubt GW will ever revisit the Koronus Expanse before an end times event anyways if ever, which will wipe out any in-game events that transpired deemed "nu-lore" regardless.

Even the epilogues for the endings leave the future of the Koronus Expanse being vague at best and easily absorbed into official lore (or not and dismantled). Some of the biggest developments and character arcs (including Nomos) can easily be forgotten in time or future 40K events.

[George W. Kush]

ok so like in every horus heresy/siege of terra book with scenes involving the emperor they tell you about him main things being he is the 2nd oldest perpetual (Ollianis is the oldest. bad spelling), he is the most powerful perpetual, he was born somewhere in the Anatolia region and he has been every role a human being can conceive eg: farmer, politician, warlord, jester, fool, scapegoat etc etc as a man or woman. the Emperors dream aka The Great Work was all about forcing the evolution of humanity so they all became like him a perpetual whose power comes from themselves and not the warp.
Perpetual = next step in human evolution and this theory is provided by Erda(her genes + The Emps = Primarchs = Space Marines) in the siege of terra books and by Malcador all through out the horus heresy