Why no gunfire at melee range!?

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Doing Co-Op with a buddy right now, and yet for some reason he tells me he was able to fire weapons in melee range in the Beta, but with someone getting an opportunity attack on him. Now that's apparently not possible. What the heck?

Even Pathfinder had this mechanic, yet in the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium the military has neglected to teach people how to fire a rifle into the chest of some moron running at them with a knife?

I've done some looking into this and apparently one of the archetypes lets you do this at rank/level 16, but that seems a bit....... dumb. Why lock the ability to shoot someone running at you in the face behind advanced specialist training? This makes zero sense.

[Taifun_Vash]

Pistols are okay for everyone, twohanded need arch militant talent.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Pistols are okay for everyone, twohanded need arch militant talent.

Did you read my post?

[Taifun_Vash]

Yes, I did read your post and an enemy in melee range is not running toward you he is standing in front of you, with a knife while you try to shoot him with a rifle.
Why that doesn't work well, should be self explanatory.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

Yes, I did read your post and an enemy in melee range is not running toward you he is standing in front of you, with a knife while you try to shoot him with a rifle.
Why that doesn't work well, should be self explanatory.

I'm pretty sure any combat veteran, or just a person who's handled a gun IRL, could explain to you as to why the sudden inability to shoot someone point blank who's menacing you with a knife is patently absurd.

This point is for venting more than anything, but I genuinely do not understand the logic behind this change. If it was in the beta, why is it suddenly locked behind a talent for a class unlocked at level 16?

Apparently, random peasants and halfbreed mutants in Wrath of the Righteous have more combat ability as they take shots at house-sized demons at point blank range with their bows, throwing stars, hatchets, darts and throwing axes. This game design choice is comical.

[Taifun_Vash]

The arch militant is the combat veteran specialization, in this case.
And any combat expert would explain it to you, why it would be hard to fire a rifle in close combat, when the other party is wielding a knife.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Originally posted by Taifun_Vash:

The arch militant is the combat veteran specialization, in this case.
And any combat expert would explain it to you, why a it would be hard to fire a rifle in close combat, when the other party is wielding a knife.

This is not a good argument, as if someone walked up to you in a combat scenario where your gun was already primed and you were alert and looking for enemies, you'd fire point-blank into their chest.

This change is made purely for gameplay "balance" purposes, and it makes zero sense. The attack of opportunity system is meant to simulate how a person would swipe at you with their knife if you tried to fire point-blank, while the accuracy penalty simulates them grappling with your gun to foil your attempt to aim.

There was a better way of doing this without forcing players into picking a character class and a specific perk, so I'm just gonna disregard your messages.

[Taifun_Vash]

The mechanic is good how it is, the real question is why is your ranger in melee combat and what are your tanks/melees doing, for that to happen.

[Stridswombat]

Just use a shotgun. It let's you shoot enemies at point blank and will push them back. Problem solved.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

Just use a shotgun. It let's you shoot enemies at point blank and will push them back. Problem solved.

Now that's some good news. We're only just out of the prologue, but its nice to hear some weaponry just doesn't turn off when a hostile triggers a proximity alarm. Gracias, sir.

[~ Fabulous ~]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Originally posted by Stridswombat:

Just use a shotgun. It let's you shoot enemies at point blank and will push them back. Problem solved.

Now that's some good news. We're only just out of the prologue, but its nice to hear some weaponry just doesn't turn off when a hostile triggers a proximity alarm. Gracias, sir.

better yet it knockdown enemies

[eech1]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Doing Co-Op with a buddy right now, and yet for some reason he tells me he was able to fire weapons in melee range in the Beta, but with someone getting an opportunity attack on him. Now that's apparently not possible. What the heck?

Even Pathfinder had this mechanic, yet in the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium the military has neglected to teach people how to fire a rifle into the chest of some moron running at them with a knife?

I've done some looking into this and apparently one of the archetypes lets you do this at rank/level 16, but that seems a bit....... dumb. Why lock the ability to shoot someone running at you in the face behind advanced specialist training? This makes zero sense.

You can fire point blank from any gun in game, w/o attack of oportunity from enemy side, you just need perk for that. And anyone can get such perk, it's just pointless for most archtypes since not all use ranged weapon as main source of damage. You really need to play game first before start throwing ♥♥♥♥.
p/s
Shotguns and pistols can be used in melee w/o any perks at all.

[Green Knight]

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Doing Co-Op with a buddy right now, and yet for some reason he tells me he was able to fire weapons in melee range in the Beta, but with someone getting an opportunity attack on him. Now that's apparently not possible. What the heck?

Even Pathfinder had this mechanic, yet in the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium the military has neglected to teach people how to fire a rifle into the chest of some moron running at them with a knife?

I've done some looking into this and apparently one of the archetypes lets you do this at rank/level 16, but that seems a bit....... dumb. Why lock the ability to shoot someone running at you in the face behind advanced specialist training? This makes zero sense.

By far the easiest:
1. Use a pistol
2. Use a shotgun

Both of those should be super doable since you can swap weapon sets for free...

Also easy:
3. Use your melee characters with stuff like Taunting Scream to prevent enemies from meleeing ranged characters
4. Use a perk like Dash to move out of melee for free with no AoO
5. Use a perk that lets you shoot any wpn in melee such as Arch-Militant's Close-Quarters training

[George W. Kush]

if you choose the heretic option with the warp enitiy theodora ("take my pain & give me power") she will transport you to a secret room inside the lord captains bed room and one of the chests will contain a corrupted Inferno pistol 10-16 dam no flamer/melta pre-requisite 50% armor pen 4/5 range the AOE i think reaches farther then 4/5

[brago90]

With one hand they take your rifle and with the other they stab you.

[Picklefather Nurgle]

Originally posted by eech1:

Originally posted by Picklefather Nurgle:

Doing Co-Op with a buddy right now, and yet for some reason he tells me he was able to fire weapons in melee range in the Beta, but with someone getting an opportunity attack on him. Now that's apparently not possible. What the heck?

Even Pathfinder had this mechanic, yet in the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium the military has neglected to teach people how to fire a rifle into the chest of some moron running at them with a knife?

I've done some looking into this and apparently one of the archetypes lets you do this at rank/level 16, but that seems a bit....... dumb. Why lock the ability to shoot someone running at you in the face behind advanced specialist training? This makes zero sense.

You can fire point blank from any gun in game, w/o attack of oportunity from enemy side, you just need perk for that. And anyone can get such perk, it's just pointless for most archtypes since not all use ranged weapon as main source of damage. You really need to play game first before start throwing ♥♥♥♥.
p/s
Shotguns and pistols can be used in melee w/o any perks at all.

Ah yes, another person who can't read yet somehow uses a computer.