Tyranids

[Enola Gay]

I am curious exactly how many times they show up in game either from direct encounters or as a reference.

There is the crashed cultist ship, i suspect the asteroid event and apparently I have missed in every playthrough until today, where you can end up with a genestealer rebellion on one of your worlds, depending on the choices you have made.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

In combat, one minor encounter with gene-stealers with absurdly large HP bars for gene-stealers at a random exploration location.

[Ishan451]

It would be quite lore breaking to have a full on Tyranid appearance in the Koronus Expanse. That thing is located in the Segmentum Obscura. So far the Tyranids only appeared in Segmentum Ultima.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

It would be quite lore breaking to have a full on Tyranid appearance in the Koronus Expanse. That thing is located in the Segmentum Obscura. So far the Tyranids only appeared in Segmentum Ultima.

What are you talking about? Splinter fleets have hit the Koronus Expanse a few times in the lore.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Koronus Expanse a few times in the lore.

Let's start with the fact that nothing happening in the Koronous Expanse is canon, and then appreciate that its in the Calixis Sector... which is positioned here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Galaxy_map_Calixis_Sector.jpg

So between Calixis and the Tyranid incursion is an entire Eye of Terror and Terra itself.

So if Fantasy Flight has written "splinter fleets" into their background, they sure as heck didn't arrive there by any normal means.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Koronus Expanse a few times in the lore.

Let's start with the fact that nothing happening in the Koronous Expanse is canon, and then appreciate that its in the Calixis Sector... which is positioned here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Galaxy_map_Calixis_Sector.jpg

So between Calixis and the Tyranid incursion is an entire Eye of Terror and Terra itself.

So if Fantasy Flight has written "splinter fleets" into their background, they sure as heck didn't arrive there by any normal means.

Seems I was mistaken.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

I'm talking about Tau lore, not FFG material. As the Tau have fought with Hive Fleet Gorgon which is a splinter of Hive Fleet Behemoth that attacked Macragge.

Codex: Tyranids (5th Edition), pp.18-21

Tau are located in Segmentum Ultima.

Here is a map that has both the Halo Stars and Calixis (top left) and the Tau empire (bottom right): https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/3/35/ImperiumMap7th.jpg

The Tyranids are coming from the right.

Edit:

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Seems I was mistaken.

It would have seriously surprised me otherwise.

[Elizabello]

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Let's start with the fact that nothing happening in the Koronous Expanse is canon, and then appreciate that its in the Calixis Sector... which is positioned here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Galaxy_map_Calixis_Sector.jpg

So between Calixis and the Tyranid incursion is an entire Eye of Terror and Terra itself.

So if Fantasy Flight has written "splinter fleets" into their background, they sure as heck didn't arrive there by any normal means.

Seems I was mistaken.

Dont know if you are new to steam forums but that doesnt work like this. You dont admit your mistakes, double down on whatever you said and call the guy names! Heretic!!!

[Magni]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by The Seraph of Tomorrow:

Koronus Expanse a few times in the lore.

Let's start with the fact that nothing happening in the Koronous Expanse is canon, and then appreciate that its in the Calixis Sector... which is positioned here:
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Galaxy_map_Calixis_Sector.jpg

So between Calixis and the Tyranid incursion is an entire Eye of Terror and Terra itself.

So if Fantasy Flight has written "splinter fleets" into their background, they sure as heck didn't arrive there by any normal means.

Dude. The various Tyranid hive fleets hit the galactic disc from multiple directions. Leviathan and its numerous splinter fleet, notably, hit it from BELOW.

Here's a more up to date map, note the Nid incursion marked right up there in the Halo Stars: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/16/TyranidIncursionsGreatRift.png/revision/latest?cb=20171115015706

Also, there's a Tau presence in the Koronus Expanse. There was an ancient alien portal that directly linked the Maw and the Jericho Reach. The latter is right down by the Hadex Anomaly, right next to the Tau Empire. It got only cut off when the HAdex Anomaly expanded as the Great Rift opened.

ALos, everything that happened in the Koronus Expanse in the TTRPG books is canon.

[Ishan451]

Originally posted by Magni:

Dude. The various Tyranid hive fleets hit the galactic disc from multiple directions. Leviathan and its numerous splinter fleet, notably, hit it from BELOW.

Leviathan was broken, but yes, it came from the south. The rest is coming from the east... and the game is placed in the Koronous Expanse, which is in the Calixis sector... near the Halo Stars.

We are in the top left area...
https://imgur.com/a/4Wf2y

Any Tyranid fleet would have to go past the Eye of Terror or Terra to reach where we are playing.

Originally posted by Magni:

ALos, everything that happened in the Koronus Expanse in the TTRPG books is canon.

No it's not. Unless you provide me an official source (by games workshop) that says its cannon.

Gamesworkshop does at best acknowledge its existence, because of the trouble it had with Malal, the 5th Chaos God. You'll at most get an easter egg reference (eg. Sons of Malice)... and if its popular enough a name drop (as with the Blood Magpies and the Tanith)... but just like Black Library the TTRPG books are not cannon.

They actually are contradicted by actual cannon. Such as is the case for Bolter weaponry, to make an example.

To assume that they are cannon, any of it... would mean to assume that Tyranids are impervious to bolter fire (Dawn of War Novels), Chaos Cultists can morph into Chaos Space Marines at will (C.S.Goto novel) and firing a boltgun, despite being based on a Gyrojet Rifle, tears arms off, with a measely 28mm projectile.

[Magni]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Leviathan was broken, but yes, it came from the south. The rest is coming from the east... and the game is placed in the Koronous Expanse, which is in the Calixis sector... near the Halo Stars.

We are in the top left area...
https://imgur.com/a/4Wf2y

Any Tyranid fleet would have to go past the Eye of Terror or Terra to reach where we are playing.

That's LITERALLY THE SAME MAP I JUST POSTED.

Leviathan is NOT coming from the "south" side of the galactic disc. It's not coming from the "north", "west" or "east" either. It is coming from BELOW THE DISC. Stop thinking in two dimensions and start thinking in three, else you won't get this.

And again, look at the splinter fleet icon right up there in the Halo Stars next to the Calixis Sector. (Also, look at the top right for a side-on view of the galaxy and how Leviathan is coming in.)

No it's not. Unless you provide me an official source (by games workshop) that says its cannon.

The Fantasy Flight RPGs were an official, licensed Games Workshop product. That makes them canon by default, under GW's own standing canon policy. Kindly stop trying to shift the burden of proof here: You made the claim they're not canon. It's on YOU to provide proof for that claim when it's called into question.

They actually are contradicted by actual cannon. Such as is the case for Bolter weaponry, to make an example.

They are not, though. Including in the case of Bolter weaponry.

To deny that they are canon is baseless nonsense. And LMAO@claiming literal Black Library novels (an entire different product line form the FFG role-playing system) are non-canon.