Ulfar's class choice and build is TERRIBLE

[Carlton BEaEnkEs, no E]

What was Owlcat thinking? Cassia has her own class, Ulfar should have had an Astartes class or something.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

It doesn't matter, he is still an invulnerable killing machine on Unfair.

[MacabreLion]

Originally posted by Carlton BEaEnkEs, no E:

What was Owlcat thinking? Cassia has her own class, Ulfar should have had an Astartes class or something.

I mean Cassia has psychic powers - unique ones. What do you want a really big mortal to do thats unique? Maybe hold a gun no one else can? Does that need a class?

[comralol]

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

It doesn't matter, he is still an invulnerable killing machine on Unfair.

Any other character, with these archetypes can do what Ulfar does, BUT BETTER.
From the gear and weaponry options and choices, to not being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4 square blob that can't get through half the choke points and is unable to use cover.
Ulfar, as a space marine, have been done dirty, to think otherwise is massive copium.

[Carlton BEaEnkEs, no E]

Originally posted by comralol:

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

It doesn't matter, he is still an invulnerable killing machine on Unfair.

Any other character, with these archetypes can do what Ulfar does, BUT BETTER.
From the gear and weaponry options and choices, to not being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4 square blob that can't get through half the choke points and is unable to use cover.
Ulfar, as a space marine, have been done dirty, to think otherwise is massive copium.

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[Cutlass Jack]

My only real feeling on the matter is that if they were going to make him that large, they should have also given him a version of the vanguard ability that lets you use him as cover.

[Yasmail]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

My only real feeling on the matter is that if they were going to make him that large, they should have also given him a version of the vanguard ability that lets you use him as cover.

And some jump ability to deal with those pesky ladders and blockades in his way.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Yasmail:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

My only real feeling on the matter is that if they were going to make him that large, they should have also given him a version of the vanguard ability that lets you use him as cover.

And some jump ability to deal with those pesky ladders and blockades in his way.

Yeah I think I said that once before. His variant of the charge power should have been a jump instead.

[Megapewpew]

Same with yrliet. Yrliet should have had Outcast-Ranger-Pathfinder, imo for her archtype, and Ulfar should have had Astartes-Space Wolf-Wolf Lord/Battle Leader. I'm just going to assume they ran out of time. I highly doubt I thought of this and they didnt.

[wei270]

Ulfer does have a unique charge as a solider class

[SynZ77]

Take these feats to turn him good:

- Dependable
- Nimble
- Critical Versatility
- Always Ready
- Broad Expertise
- Bolt Weapon Expert
- Wildfire + Flashfire
- Confident Approach + Calm and Steady
and as much BS + PER + AGI + TGH + WS (with this priority) as you can get.

For the first level of Exemplar take:

- Perfection Under Fire
- Rapid Reload

Strategy:

Turn on Cofident Approach. Move to line up enemies. Use Rapid Fire. Burst fire your bolter. Use Wildfire. Burst fire again. At this point you will have 4 stacks of Versatility and always deal maximum damage thanks to Confident Approach.

Once your AP cost of Wildfire is low enough, use Run and Gun and burst fire for a 3rd time in a round. Once you have enough momentum, use Steady Superiority for another free burst per round.

Reload. Repeat.

Make sure to switch to pistol (Astartes Plasma Pistol is great) + knife before ending your turn to enable parry. If something gets too close, kick. Then burst fire your bolter.

The only completely wasted feat he has is Second Skin. That one is weird, maybe Owlcat did that as a stand-in for Black Carapace, which he has and does the same thing but for Power Armor.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by comralol:

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

It doesn't matter, he is still an invulnerable killing machine on Unfair.

Any other character, with these archetypes can do what Ulfar does, BUT BETTER.
From the gear and weaponry options and choices, to not being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4 square blob that can't get through half the choke points and is unable to use cover.
Ulfar, as a space marine, have been done dirty, to think otherwise is massive copium.

Literal skill issue.

His stats are insanely high naturally, he gets some of the best armor and weapons in the game, and although his class choices aren't optimal, they aren't terrible either.

Sounds more like you don't know how to use him properly. He shreds and functionally can't be harmed by anything short of intentionally OP bosses.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by SynZ77:

Take these feats to turn him good:

- Dependable
- Nimble
- Critical Versatility
- Always Ready
- Broad Expertise
- Bolt Weapon Expert
- Wildfire + Flashfire
- Confident Approach + Calm and Steady
and as much BS + PER + AGI + TGH + WS (with this priority) as you can get.

For the first level of Exemplar take:

- Perfection Under Fire
- Rapid Reload

Strategy:

Turn on Cofident Approach. Move to line up enemies. Use Rapid Fire. Burst fire your bolter. Use Wildfire. Burst fire again. At this point you will have 4 stacks of Versatility and always deal maximum damage thanks to Confident Approach.

Once your AP cost of Wildfire is low enough, use Run and Gun and burst fire for a 3rd time in a round. Once you have enough momentum, use Steady Superiority for another free burst per round.

Reload. Repeat.

Make sure to switch to pistol (Astartes Plasma Pistol is great) + knife before ending your turn to enable parry. If something gets too close, kick. Then burst fire your bolter.

The only completely wasted feat he has is Second Skin. That one is weird, maybe Owlcat did that as a stand-in for Black Carapace, which he has and does the same thing but for Power Armor.

Don't forget Peak Condition and Know-It-All.

[SynZ77]

Originally posted by Sofia:

Don't forget Peak Condition and Know-It-All.

Those are pretty useless on this build.

You don't need more strength when your primary move is to burst fire your bolter. Poking things with your knife is a waste of AP, just use it to enable parry between your turns. His INT isn't high enough to give a meaningful bonus from Know-It-All.

The other Exemplar feats after Perfection Under Fire you should be taking are:
- Degraded Defence
- Shot Through
- Critical Velocity
- Tough as Steel

These aren't really needed though. Ulfar is ridiculously good, those 4 feats just take him totally over the top. Especially combined upgraded gear, he already destroys with his default bolter.

I'm sure somebody came up with a good melee build for him, that's just not how I personally play him. I do like his strong melee presence because it enables you to place him wherever you can line up the most enemies for burst firing.

[Sofia]

Originally posted by SynZ77:

Originally posted by Sofia:

Don't forget Peak Condition and Know-It-All.

Those are pretty useless on this build.

You don't need more strength when your primary move is to burst fire your bolter. Poking things with your knife is a waste of AP, just use it to enable parry between your turns. His INT isn't high enough to give a meaningful bonus from Know-It-All.

The other Exemplar feats after Perfect Under Fire you should be taking are:
- Degraded Defence
- Shot Through
- Critical Velocity
- Tough as Steel

These aren't really needed though. Ulfar is ridiculously good, those 4 feats just take him totally over the top. Especially combined upgraded gear, he already destroys with his default bolter.

By the time you max him out you'll have feats to burn and free stats are free stats.

Also, melee weapon + pistol (bolt or plasma) is one of his better builds. With counterattacks, he can use his pistol instead of his melee weapon, and there's several feats that interact like 'if you hit with melee, buff ranged; if you hit with ranged, buff melee'. He's able to charge in, smack something twice, and then do a powered up ranged shot, or charge, ranged, melee for double buffs. His one-handed weapon options are REALLY good (as are his melee weapons) and don't lag behind his two-handed that much.

I also prefer giving him a flamer over his two-handed ranged options. His heavy flamers have insane range and he gets a helm that buffs them further.

[Nickname0329]

You should take Pin Point Accuracy, Critical Velocity, Cataclysm, Extermination, Death Dealer/Steel Shell,

You only get 5 Exemplar talents iirc, you shouldn't take low value ones like Confidence Under Fire ever. Unless you're going for a Ghost Helm Prescience setup, you don't need Know-It-All, very low value talent.

Ulfar's Pistols are underrated just because of their frankly disgusting base damage.

Flamers are straight trash though. Low armor penetration, limited range, no burst fire. Basically everything you don't want in a weapon.