Are all heavy weapons kinda meh, or just the flamer?

[Sliscus]

Low ammo capacity, not seeing much in the way of damage. is the a specific was to spec it or are they just not worth investing the talents?

[meatmaaan]

the only character i specced for heavy weapons is ulfar, he gets some gear that boosts flamers too and the AOE is nice.
Arch-militant gets heavy gunner talent to reduce ap cost too

[Pixie1001]

It's decent when combined with a heavy bolter or stubber, since those guns have such huge clips you basically never have to reload, which means you can use the free reload from soldier on your flamer - and then you have a decent AoE attack to use in between burst fire to grant versatility stacks on your arch-militant.

They just feel bad since burst fire is so good in this game, but compared to using single shots, the +1 AP cost to hit like 3 people with an unmissable attack (I think it does half damage on a 'miss') and a DoT is pretty good.

Heavy weapons also have a ton of talent support which make them a lot better than regular guns - I think there's like 3 they give them more damage and less AP cost?

[Sliscus]

So..... should I spec Argentia into using a heavy flamer?

and what;s this "free reload" you speak of ? did I miss a talent?

[Jámez Bondo]

Heavy Bolter is crazy strong once your Argenta/Arch MIlitant is specced for it. So is the Heavy Flamer, but to a lesser extent. Rapid Reload (Soldier) is the talent that reduces reload cost by 2 and makes the first reload 0 AP. Firearm Mastery also immediately reloads your weapon. Not sure how other archetypes handle heavy weapons, but Arch Militant is broken with them.

[Cutlass Jack]

Spec Argenta into heavy bolter. Regret nothing.

[wei270]

if you can deal with the recoil, and have the -1 ap from archmilitant. heavy weapon is truly the best weapon in the game. it can do thousands of damage in one turn.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Jámez Bondo:

Heavy Bolter is crazy strong once your Argenta/Arch MIlitant is specced for it. So is the Heavy Flamer, but to a lesser extent. Rapid Reload (Soldier) is the talent that reduces reload cost by 2 and makes the first reload 0 AP. Firearm Mastery also immediately reloads your weapon. Not sure how other archetypes handle heavy weapons, but Arch Militant is broken with them.

TY I think I'm missing this on Argenta.
she gets an item that explodes burning people and lighting 10+ mooks on fire and detonating them is incredibly satisfying

[Morgian]

Heavy weapons are OK; but only if you have the talents for it. Heavy gunner is only for arch-militants (reduce action cost), but heavy weapon proficiency and the two other talents are available to everyone.
However, the top heavy weapons are the heavy bolter and improved heavy bolter, so not too useful for others than Argenta. Ulfar has his own set of bolters and flamers.

Argenta did at most 106 with the flamer, but that means 300-400 damage if it is her turn and she has all the bonus attacks going. It is usually not the best option, since the mobs usually don't stand conveniently together, and the weapon has problems with stairs and ramps. I use it mostly to add versatility stacks or clean up minor mobs.

Edit: in contrast, she can do 4k damage in one turn with the bolter once her versatility is up and she runs 4 attacks.

[Balekai]

Argenta is the Heavy Bolter toon. Just do it. Thousands upon thousands of damage and no wasteful talents/abilities.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Argenta is the Heavy Bolter toon. Just do it. Thousands upon thousands of damage and no wasteful talents/abilities.

that's too bad, SoB use a lot of flame weapons and I wanted to player her as a "PURIFY THE UNCLEAN IN CLEANSING FIRE!" Sister

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by Balekai:

Argenta is the Heavy Bolter toon. Just do it. Thousands upon thousands of damage and no wasteful talents/abilities.

that's too bad, SoB use a lot of flame weapons and I wanted to player her as a "PURIFY THE UNCLEAN IN CLEANSING FIRE!" Sister

i ran her with the explosive hand flamer most of the game, she has a talent that boosts flame damage against daemons and xenos too but it scales off willpower

[Nickname0329]

Flamer is the worst weapon type in the entire game, especially the hand flamer. It has all the penalties of playing melee, without the advantages.

The weapon class's niche is supposed to be damage over time, but combat in this game occurs in usually one round, maybe two or three if you're running something random. Enemies never take the turns necessary for damage over time to matter.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by Balekai:

Argenta is the Heavy Bolter toon. Just do it. Thousands upon thousands of damage and no wasteful talents/abilities.

that's too bad, SoB use a lot of flame weapons and I wanted to player her as a "PURIFY THE UNCLEAN IN CLEANSING FIRE!" Sister

Nothing says 'holy' like putting holes in things with heavy bolter projectiles.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by Sliscus:

that's too bad, SoB use a lot of flame weapons and I wanted to player her as a "PURIFY THE UNCLEAN IN CLEANSING FIRE!" Sister

i ran her with the explosive hand flamer most of the game, she has a talent that boosts flame damage against daemons and xenos too but it scales off willpower

I have her with 50 WP in my current build for the handful of talents that give survivability bonuses based on WP.

[Sliscus]

Originally posted by Nickname0329:

Flamer is the worst weapon type in the entire game, especially the hand flamer. It has all the penalties of playing melee, without the advantages.

The weapon class's niche is supposed to be damage over time, but combat in this game occurs in usually one round, maybe two or three if you're running something random. Enemies never take the turns necessary for damage over time to matter.

Yeah that's why I get the "if you're on fire you explode" item for her