Iconoclast = goody two shoes?

[Jámez Bondo]

I'm sure saving a lot of ppl!

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Because I don't need to. I don't need a C'tan to protect my domain. I don't need Nomos to merge with a C'tan.
Don't put on unnecessary baggages.

that doesnt really answer my question.

It does.

You ask me why I don't trust Nomos, I answer I don't need to trust him.

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

except the game doesnt in any way frame it as the best out come. thats just your headcanon

Yes, best outcome for me, at least.
Can't force everyone to think like that.

yes, nice of you to accept it being your opinion and not an objective fact

[Balekai]

Originally posted by Sliscus:

Originally posted by REhorror:

You are free to trust whichever, one is the foreign god that XC tries to use, the other is a xeno heretic.

I trust in my faith and the Imperium.

The same imperium that has a huge shard of Mag'ladroth hidden under the sands of Mars?

I find it funny that in the game, the Discontinuance Techpriests are sort of going full circle towards a true Omnissiah, since we all know the real Omnissiah is the Void Dragon of Mars (C'tan Shard you mentioned). We also know pretty much the Emperor conned the Techpriests of Mars into thinking he was the Human incarnation of that shard too. :p

Honestly Nomos is interesting in that, he's sort of a one of a kind case study that only comes around every 100 billion years or so into the nature of the C'Tan.

Were the C'tan inherently evil because they were Star killing non sentient space dust turned sentient cyborgs that found out they liked souls better?

Or were they evil because they learned from their former masters? The Race that became Necrons, hellbent on achieving absolute dominance over the Galaxy by any means necessary, in an attempt to steal immortality from the Race that did control everything (the Old Ones).

Do C'tan initially just more or less copy those they interact with and become representative of that?

That said, the C'Tan were "loyal" to the Necrons... until they weren't. The other interesting thing about Nomos after spoiling more of the ending for myself, is that it's not really a C'tan Shard. It's more of a baby C'tan and why it's able to win in the endgame vs. the real Shard. Hinting that Nomos actually has the potential to become something greater than a Shard like a true C'tan at full power (Star God).

Anyways yeah I would take Iconoclast do no harm, protector of the weak C'Tan Nomos to just about anyone else in 40K lol.

Wait this thread... seems familiar... I swear i saw it in a different form... locked before its time... hmm I could be wrong I guess i'm imagining things. IDIRA I NEED YOUR VISIONS GET OVER HERE!

lol I could go into one of my long winded posts about what Iconoclast is, but here's the in-game description of Iconoclast which is pretty bang on for what it is in game:

"Belief in humanity, in compassion and the importance of an individual rather than the vast, labyrinthine institutions of the Imperium is a rare oddity oft afforded to the select few with the power to do so. Many of these attributes have died out in the common man, so desperate are they just to find their next meal, but the vestiges of humanity, a belief in the value of human life and freedom, cling on tenaciously even amid the dark squalor of the forty-first millennium.

Seeking out compromise and understanding, even with those who might be considered foes, is the foremost tenant of this school of thought, rather than engaging in uncompromising destruction. And treading down this path often provides the follower with greater boons."

It was called "Benevolentia" pre release.

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

that doesnt really answer my question.

It does.

You ask me why I don't trust Nomos, I answer I don't need to trust him.

"what reason do you have to not trust him"
"im just too much of chad"
ok

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

It does.

You ask me why I don't trust Nomos, I answer I don't need to trust him.

"what reason do you have to not trust him"
"im just too much of chad"
ok

Yep, you are not putting on unnecessary baggage in case Nomos goes wrong.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Yes, best outcome for me, at least.
Can't force everyone to think like that.

yes, nice of you to accept it being your opinion and not an objective fact

Indeed, best is indeed subjective.

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

"what reason do you have to not trust him"
"im just too much of chad"
ok

Yep, you are not putting on unnecessary baggage in case Nomos goes wrong.

if you go down Iconoclast route its pretty necessary, also pretty sure it doesnt backfire on dogmatic either

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

yes, nice of you to accept it being your opinion and not an objective fact

Indeed, best is indeed subjective.

so you accept that all the paths in this game are valid and being a fan of 1 doesn't put you above others?

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Yep, you are not putting on unnecessary baggage in case Nomos goes wrong.

if you go down Iconoclast route its pretty necessary

Hence making Iconoclast is baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Indeed, best is indeed subjective.

so you accept that all the paths in this game are valid and being a fan of 1 doesn't put you above others?

Yes, it's a RPG, you can roleplay to your heart-content.

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

if you go down Iconoclast route its pretty necessary

Hence making Iconoclast is the baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

bruh you are completely missing the point of nomos story arc again and making assumptions based on your "lore knowledge"
nomos starts thinking for himself long before the ending of the game...
also how does this have anything to do with baggage?

[REhorror]

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Hence making Iconoclast is the baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

bruh you are completely missing the point of nomos story arc again and making assumptions based on your "lore knowledge"
also how does this have anything to do with baggage?

It's as I said.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

That's the baggage.
If the Iconoclast unironically thinks it's going to stay the same forever, lawl.

[Balekai]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by meatmaaan:

if you go down Iconoclast route its pretty necessary

Hence making Iconoclast is baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

Which is the point of Dogmatic. :) :)

"Keep the status quo, it's worked so far... even though it's not really working well but hey!"

Iconoclast:

"Make some friends, build some bridges, try something new and hope for the best!" :p

[meatmaaan]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Hence making Iconoclast is baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

Which is the point of Dogmatic. :) :)

"Keep the status quo, it's worked so far... even though it's not really working well but hey!"

Iconoclast:

"Make some friends, build some bridges, try something new and hope for the best!" :p

if its already broken dont fix it - dogmatic

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Balekai:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Hence making Iconoclast is baggage route.

You are putting yourself into a corner.
You have to hope:
1. The Imperium doesn't get you.
2. Nomos will ALWAYS, ALWAYS stay loyal and can't grow to think for himself.

Nah, I will take the safe route (Dogmatic) instead, I don't need a C'tan to kill daemons, bolter and sword work fine.

Which is the point of Dogmatic. :) :)

"Keep the status quo, it's worked so far... even though it's not really working well but hey!"

Iconoclast:

"Make some friends, build some bridges, try something new and hope for the best!" :p

Well, since I play Dogmatic and everything ends up relatively well without my C'tan pet...

I think it's working, at least until the RT grows old and die, and someone else replace him.