Pathfinder Kingmaker vs Rogue Trader after release

[['w']]

Haven't touched WOTR so far and played Kingmaker nearly to the end or only to Chapter 6: The War of the River Kingdoms.

Stopped because of bugs and never returned to the save.

Restarted it multiple times, but never had the energy to go much further in the game, even though I really enjoyed it.
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So how will Rogue Trader be in one or two years? Does anyone believe that they will polish later acts after act3? Or should I just press on from start to finish?

No idea if I will have the endurance for a second run if I end it after act 3.

[Z405]

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

[['w']]

Z405님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

Back then, end of 2018, after release it was and I never was able to finish it afterwards, because I'm not into replaying games multiple times.

Last time I tried it it was fine, but I stopped gaming for 3 months because of my addiction and so I left another save in the ditch after ~60hrs in.

[Sotanaht]

Z405님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

It is indeed a buggy mess to this day. Much improved sure, but basically only up to the level of an "average" buggy game release.

[BlazingScribe]

For whatever it's worth, I played Kingmaker back in July 2020 and it worked fine. I didn't encounter any noteworthy bugs or at least couldn't identify that they were bugs. The only things I remember that might have been bugs were weird design features like the unannounced scavenger hunts and one quirk with a companion quest that prevented you from picking a specific dialog option if you didn't explore part of the map, and thus caused you to fail that quest if you didn't do it before a certain point in the plot. I don't know if that second one is a bug or an annoying feature.

[Donnicton]

You may actually like Wrath of the Righteous more than Kingmaker. I didn't like Kingmaker but I put hundreds of hours into Wrath. The mythic paths as well as mythic perks fixing a lot of the really annoying foibles that Pathfinder's ruleset had that Kingmaker didn't bother to address.

RT is categorically inferior to Wrath though, imo. Even ignoring the Owlcat-isms like a buggy launch, the late game just does not have that much content. They 100% ran it out the door for Christmas.

[Schlumpsha]

It's pretty much guaranteed Rogue Trader sees a Enhanced Edition treatment upon reaching 2.0 or so. I am not expecting to see revisions of later chapters outside of adding the one or other sidequest tho. Didn't happen with past titles either.

As for Kingmaker: the biggest part as to why the game is not seeing updates which fix remaining bugs is because Owlcat lost the rights to that game[gameworldobserver.com] years ago. So it won't ever see another update. Unless Owlcat buys the rights back, I guess...

[Z405]

Sotanaht님이 먼저 게시:

Z405님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

It is indeed a buggy mess to this day. Much improved sure, but basically only up to the level of an "average" buggy game release.

Could it be a fair assumption that Owlcat, considering "Kingmaker" as their first game and "Rogue Trader" as their third and latest installment with additional upcoming DLC, might endeavor to elevate their performance? The abundance of forthcoming content suggests an ongoing commitment to this game series. And while it appears that gaining access to the 40k IP is quite feasible if one invests significantly in Games Workshop (GW), yet Owlcat stands with a remarkable chance with the first 40k CRPG. Do you also perceive this as an exceptional opportunity that Owlcat might not overlook, or am I perhaps overly optimistic or naive in my assessment?

[Neoz]

Story wise, I'd say both the Pathfinder games will be better. Gameplay wise, it depends on your preference

[Ragatokk]

I'm really surprised they don't test each ability as they add it in to the game.
For all of their games, so many abilities and talents have been bugged.

[Freak4Leeks]

WOTR was their least bugggy which made me preorder rogue due to that thinking it could only get better, kingmaker... was straight F*cked on launch although imma be honest i've had 4 playthroughs after all the dlcs and encountered minimal bugs so maybe i'm just lucky. Rogue trader has been the worst not only because of bugs but a bunch of inconsistencies and lack of content.

I believe the people that speculate that owlcat were trying to release rogue as fast as possible to ride the BG3 CRPG hype train and xmas because sheeesh.

Owlcat has been removed from my "preorder no questions asked" list for sure. The day one season pass stings a little more too.

[Flavalicious]

I think the game lacks the soul Wrath had, and as such I am personally not expecting it to improve very much. I think this game was made in the wrong genre. After playing it, I really just want something along the lines of a 40k 4X space simulation/management game where im managing supply lines across planets spread out across the galaxy and deciding the outcome of important decisions through some events system that has some long lasting effects/consequences.

Part of the charm of 40k is the silliness is generally in small doses and you don't linger on something long enough to really start to think about how goofy it actually is. As such I think it starts to lose its charm when its stretched over 150 hours of gameplay. Concepts like your rogue trader bringing his 5 best mates and going over to some blown to hell space hulk to go digging through garbage for a single lasgun you can store in your cargo container, just seems off. Where as if a warhammer content creator did a video explaining how so and so, a rogue trader of the distant past personally lead a boarding action on a xeno ship to retrieve some stolen artefact, its interesting enough but because the video is only like 5 mins long, you never really consider how silly it would be for such a powerful figure to risk their mortal coil on something that could be done by the tens of thousands of people aboard their ship.

For me, one of those times where the concept was cooler then the execution.

[blackhand_lost]

Z405님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

Pathfinder is fine now.

As for OP, I believe this game will improve noticeably in a year

[Sotanaht]

blackhand_lost님이 먼저 게시:

Z405님이 먼저 게시:

Wait, you're saying that Pathfinder Kingmaker still is a buggy mess till this day? That doesn't bode well for Rogue Trader if that's what you're stating. If so, is it any different with Pathfinder: WotR?

Pathfinder is fine now.

As for OP, I believe this game will improve noticeably in a year

The Pathfinder games are buggy now in the same way that Skyrim is buggy now. They are definitely playable, and if you are careful to do things the way the developers intended and don't look at them especially closely you might possibly not even notice the bugs at all, but they are certainly there.

[Neoz]

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blackhand_lost님이 먼저 게시:

Pathfinder is fine now.

As for OP, I believe this game will improve noticeably in a year

The Pathfinder games are buggy now in the same way that Skyrim is buggy now. They are definitely playable, and if you are careful to do things the way the developers intended and don't look at them especially closely you might possibly not even notice the bugs at all, but they are certainly there.

are they? I sure haven't seen any bugs, maybe some pathfinder issues, funny enough.

[.//slayer]

Sotanaht님이 먼저 게시:

blackhand_lost님이 먼저 게시:

Pathfinder is fine now.

As for OP, I believe this game will improve noticeably in a year

The Pathfinder games are buggy now in the same way that Skyrim is buggy now. They are definitely playable, and if you are careful to do things the way the developers intended and don't look at them especially closely you might possibly not even notice the bugs at all, but they are certainly there.

What are some of the bugs that you experienced in Kingmaker? I put around 300 hours into it in 2021 and played without any issues whatsoever. WotR had some abilities that didn't work as intended, but these problems were minor at best and continued to be fixed with patches.