So, Yrlett... [Act 3 spoilers]

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

i might have missed a few dialog lines so please bear with me. I just want to be sure.

Did she send RT into a trap knowingly?

I first I thought they somehow tricked her. But reading some posts it seems whe deliberately cospired with the drukhari?

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by REhorror:

So yeah, check if you got these options because on my end, she's at least honest about her ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Those options are largely the same. But the talking to Marazhai was back on Dargonus. Which was never in question. Or her being honest about her mistake.

But you are missing this one. That tells what she actually expected to find at the location:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127543887

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Originally posted by REhorror:

So yeah, check if you got these options because on my end, she's at least honest about her ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Those options are largely the same. But the talking to Marazhai was back on Dargonus. Which was never in question. Or her being honest about her mistake.

But you are missing this one. That tells what she actually expected to find at the location:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127543887

Uh, no, I literally that part in my previous quote

Originally posted by REhorror:

OK, I might make a mistake regarding the rescue part, now go into the Pit.

See if you can get these dialog options. Her first dialog:
https://imgur.com/HAnLUM4
Choose 2, see her reason, then choose 2 "learn nothing"
https://imgur.com/xeD727L

After that, talk to her again and select [Leave] and see if you get the options where she tries to be honest with me:
https://imgur.com/COk7uwB
She admits her betrayal:
https://imgur.com/X5PJYpy
And she admits listening to Marazhai and trusting him out of hope:
https://imgur.com/o7nglag

And lying to me:
https://imgur.com/sAqEgcI

So yeah, check if you got these options because on my end, she's at least honest about her ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

So yeah, she literally admits trusting him, lying to you and betray you (because she trusted her Kin) and you still act like this, why?
Honestly, I have more problems of you trying to defend something this stupid than Yrlet doing the stupid.

[Cutlass Jack]

She admits to not trusting him (in what I just posted) and only lied about the source of the info.

And I'm not defending her stupidity. I'm saying what she is guilty of did not warrant execution. Different thing. If she had purposely and knowingly turned me over to him that would be entirely different. She never even would have made it out of the Dark City.

If you felt betrayed and executed her, that's your choice.

[REhorror]

She says she did not trust him, BUT she does because muh hopes.
In the previous dialogue she literally admits her failling for trusting her Kyn more.
And she herself admits she betrays you.

So this is not about her feelings and my feelings, it's about what she did.

I probably wouldn't kill her but will give her a proper trial like a good Dogmatic, after I get out of this hellhole.

BUT my problem is you acting like she didn't betray you, well, she did.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Yeah it's pretty poorly explained, but basically the Drukhari (specifically that one M guy) told her something like "deliver the RT to me and I'll tell you where you family is". (Obviously neither of them refer to the other Eldar as "family", but that's essentially the gist of what is going on).

How is it poorly explained when she literally tells you exactly that?

[Princess_Daystar]

Originally posted by REhorror:

More and more of this discussion is proving me Owlcat is writing the Iconoclaust path sounding real nice but as a trick.

Yeah, isolate yourself from the Imperium, absolutely NOTHING wrong can go there..

...the imperium arent the good guys though, i wouldnt want to be under their rule if i had a choice. None of the empires in the universe are great, but being an independent kingdom sounds better than being in the imperium.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

Originally posted by REhorror:

More and more of this discussion is proving me Owlcat is writing the Iconoclaust path sounding real nice but as a trick.

Yeah, isolate yourself from the Imperium, absolutely NOTHING wrong can go there..

...the imperium arent the good guys though, i wouldnt want to be under their rule if i had a choice. None of the empires in the universe are great, but being an independent kingdom sounds better than being in the imperium.

It's not about good guys or bad guys, it's about humanity sticking close to each other and helping each other in case of need.
There's no good case of "isolated strong independent system who needs no empire" in Warhammer 40K, either Imperium sends their crusade fleet to reclaim them, or they fall to Chaos or other xenos.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by REhorror:

BUT my problem is you acting like she didn't betray you, well, she did.

Its not your problem. But you do get that betraying your trust through a lie of omission is not the same as Betraying you by purposely turning you over to the enemy for murder/torture? Only one of those things I find executable.

I get lied to all the time in this game. I stopped taking it personally. At least on an execution response level.

[Princess_Daystar]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

...the imperium arent the good guys though, i wouldnt want to be under their rule if i had a choice. None of the empires in the universe are great, but being an independent kingdom sounds better than being in the imperium.

It's not about good guys or bad guys, it's about humanity sticking close to each other and helping each other in case of need.
There's no good case of "isolated strong independent system who needs no empire" in Warhammer 40K, either Imperium sends their crusade fleet to reclaim them, or they fall to Chaos or other xenos.

Oh i know that, im just saying neither option is "good". there arent any "good" endings from what ive seen unless you enjoy Chaos and just do Chaos things.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Originally posted by REhorror:

BUT my problem is you acting like she didn't betray you, well, she did.

Its not your problem. But you do get that betraying your trust through a lie of omission is not the same as Betraying you by purposely turning you over to the enemy for murder/torture? Only one of those things I find executable.

I get lied to all the time in this game. I stopped taking it personally. At least on an execution response level.

I'm sorry what, Cassia didn't tell you about Atlas because she can't trust you. Argenta does the same. Understandable, their business.

When Yrlet lies, she leads the whole crew to the Tortureville where she gets tortured too until you save her stupid ass.

It's a matter of scale, and yes her lie almost costs your life and millions if not for the plot's armor and intervention of a certain someone.

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

Originally posted by REhorror:

It's not about good guys or bad guys, it's about humanity sticking close to each other and helping each other in case of need.
There's no good case of "isolated strong independent system who needs no empire" in Warhammer 40K, either Imperium sends their crusade fleet to reclaim them, or they fall to Chaos or other xenos.

Oh i know that, im just saying neither option is "good". there arent any "good" endings from what ive seen unless you enjoy Chaos and just do Chaos things.

No, I'm saying being connected to the Imperium is objectively BETTER than isolating your empire.

[Princess_Daystar]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

Oh i know that, im just saying neither option is "good". there arent any "good" endings from what ive seen unless you enjoy Chaos and just do Chaos things.

No, I'm saying being connected to the Imperium is objectively BETTER than isolating your empire.

On that we disagree.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by Princess_Daystar:

...the imperium arent the good guys though, i wouldnt want to be under their rule if i had a choice. None of the empires in the universe are great, but being an independent kingdom sounds better than being in the imperium.

It's not about good guys or bad guys, it's about humanity sticking close to each other and helping each other in case of need.
There's no good case of "isolated strong independent system who needs no empire" in Warhammer 40K, either Imperium sends their crusade fleet to reclaim them, or they fall to Chaos or other xenos.

Yeah but for a short awhile you can have hundreds of millions of people in your dynasty be happy instead of oppressed. Plus you can get a rather powerful ally on your side and said hundreds of millions of people, with a forge world, willing to fight for freedom that will make it extremely difficult for the imperium to reclaim anything. Change is always difficult, change for the better is often bloody

[REhorror]

Originally posted by His Divine Shadow:

Originally posted by REhorror:

It's not about good guys or bad guys, it's about humanity sticking close to each other and helping each other in case of need.
There's no good case of "isolated strong independent system who needs no empire" in Warhammer 40K, either Imperium sends their crusade fleet to reclaim them, or they fall to Chaos or other xenos.

Yeah but for a short awhile you can have hundreds of millions of people in your dynasty be happy instead of oppressed. Plus you can get a rather powerful ally on your side and said hundreds of millions of people, with a forge world, willing to fight for freedom that will make it extremely difficult for the imperium to reclaim anything. Change is always difficult, change for the better is often bloody

Short term happiness is no better trade for long time stability.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by His Divine Shadow:

Yeah but for a short awhile you can have hundreds of millions of people in your dynasty be happy instead of oppressed. Plus you can get a rather powerful ally on your side and said hundreds of millions of people, with a forge world, willing to fight for freedom that will make it extremely difficult for the imperium to reclaim anything. Change is always difficult, change for the better is often bloody

Short term happiness is no better trade for long time stability.

The imperium isn’t stable though... that much has always been clear. It’s been rotting from the inside out for thousands of years and breaking under its own weight/corruption. They’ve been worse than technologically stagnant for ten thousand years, they’ve been losing tech. They’ve broken and made a twisted, perverse mockery of their own culture.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by His Divine Shadow:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Short term happiness is no better trade for long time stability.

The imperium isn’t stable though... that much has always been clear. It’s been rotting from the inside out for thousands of years and breaking under its own weight/corruption. They’ve been worse than technologically stagnant for ten thousand years, they’ve been losing tech. They’ve broken and made a twisted, perverse mockery of their own culture.

It's literally the stablest empire that is still living and with the most humans, ever.
Alternatively, you can join the Tau I guess, which is on the other side of the galaxy and doesn't believe daemons exist.