Lord Inquisitor kind of a jerk

[ChompyRiley]

He's a grade-A jackass. Busts into my house, knocks out my servant, acts snide and accusatory, and generally acts like King ♥♥♥♥. Boy was lucky I didn't put a bolt in his skull and decapitate Heinrix. I'm no heretic, and anyone who can even remotely watch my actions will know that my sole concern is for my people and their welfare. It's a real shame there's no option later to just eject his little spy out into space.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Was there a point there? I mean, besides that Port Wander is in the Calixis Sector, and thus effectively irrelevant to this game since unless chapter 5 is throwing us a curveball, it's purely in the Koronus Expanse.

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Yeah absolutely, he doesnt need to kill you, he can just show up in your house reminding you that youre not safe just because youre in your own house outside of imperium.

Youre legally allowed to negotiate with xenos, till inquisition decides that this specific xenos are responsible for something like taking over janus, suddenly youre working against imperium, wittingly or not.

And then what? He'd be an idiot (or a Puritan - whoops, tautology) to do so.

and then hell kill you, find one of the heirs or will just fabricate paperwork to pretend they are, put him on board with fresh crew with acolyte or couple as advisors who will effectively control the puppet.

or better yet tell winterscales and chorda to take over your planets... and tithe will flow like nothing happened.

"The Inquisition is always watching, or at least it is foolish to
assume otherwise. In the Koronus Expanse their grasp may
not be as strong as in the Calixis Sector"
not as strong doesnt mean null, if they see you bring xeno tech to footfall you might be better off just asking for forgiveness, again act 2 how many heretical trinkets and xeno artifacts are in your hold by then.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Originally posted by Daliena:

Was there a point there? I mean, besides that Port Wander is in the Calixis Sector, and thus effectively irrelevant to this game since unless chapter 5 is throwing us a curveball, it's purely in the Koronus Expanse.



And then what? He'd be an idiot (or a Puritan - whoops, tautology) to do so.

and then hell kill you, find one of the heirs or will just fabricate paperwork to pretend they are, put him on board with fresh crew with acolyte or couple as advisors who will effectively control the puppet.

or better yet tell winterscales and chorda to take over your planets...

Right. He'll kill you, and just.. *Find* an heir. Something which took Theodora a colossal amount of time and effort to find you and Edelthrad, and now you'd both be dead.

And then he gets to be the one to deal with the rebellious section of the populace who are idiots loyal to Kunrad, AND the rebellious section of the populace who are loyal to you. Effectively fracturing the Von Valancius dynasty and losing much of it's power as opposed to the gargantuan task of pretending he didn't see you hanging out with a racist space elf once.

Or he tells Winterscale and Chorda to attack you, Winterscale ignores him because that's just how he rolls, Chorda declares war on you -and- Winterscale because that's how -she- rolls, and boom. Now all three Dynasties are tearing eachother apart, and Chaos is dancing a merry little jig because they literally didn't have to lift a finger to see much of the Expanse's forces that could've been arrayed against them to enter into civil war.

How bloody stupid would he have to be do to that?

Originally posted by Voodoo:

"The Inquisition is always watching, or at least it is foolish to
assume otherwise. In the Koronus Expanse their grasp may
not be as strong as in the Calixis Sector"
not as strong doesnt mean null, if they see you bring xeno tech to footfall you might be better off just asking for forgiveness.

Yeah.. No. As a Rogue Trader, you are literally authorized to trade with Xenos, as long as it's in the Imperium's interests.

In fact, if I may..

"Over the solar decades of his rule of the line, Krawkin Feckward has led many expeditions to locate new sources of both xenos artefacts and slaves, bringing examples of his wares into the courts of Imperial Commanders across the Calixis Sector and beyond. Feckward has broken countless laws in his dealings, and it is only his Warrant of Trade that keeps him from prosecution. He continues to remain just distant enough from heresy to avoid the ire of the Inquisition."

The Haarlock dynasty is another who is noted as having committed enough sins to "condemn themselves a thousand times over in the eyes of the Imperium if it were not for the legal protections of the Warrant."

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

and then hell kill you, find one of the heirs or will just fabricate paperwork to pretend they are, put him on board with fresh crew with acolyte or couple as advisors who will effectively control the puppet.

or better yet tell winterscales and chorda to take over your planets...

Right. He'll kill you, and just.. *Find* an heir. Something which took Theodora a colossal amount of time and effort to find you and Edelthrad, and now you'd both be dead.

And then he gets to be the one to deal with the rebellious section of the populace who are idiots loyal to Kunrad, AND the rebellious section of the populace who are loyal to you. Effectively fracturing the Von Valancius dynasty and losing much of it's power as opposed to the gargantuan task of pretending he didn't see you hanging out with a racist space elf once.

Or he tells Winterscale and Chorda to attack you, Winterscale ignores him because that's just how he rolls, Chorda declares war on you -and- Winterscale because that's how -she- rolls, and boom. Now all three Dynasties are tearing eachother apart, and Chaos is dancing a merry little jig because they literally didn't have to lift a finger to see much of the Expanse's forces that could've been arrayed against them to enter into civil war.

How bloody stupid would he have to be do to that?

"Every year, unrecorded numbers of the Imperium’s worlds
fall to rebellion, alien invasion, or natural disaster. A common
condition of the granting of a Warrant is that such worlds be
brought back into the fold by the application of overt military
power. Such missions are never what could be described
as diplomatic, unless a transmission demanding immediate
surrender can be counted as an ambassadorial communiqué.
Intelligence on such lost worlds might be incomplete or
compromised, based on accounts long out of date or deliberately
covered up. The Rogue Trader will be operating on the level
of a Lord Militant leading a crusade, and for such missions
additional military forces might be seconded to his command."

"Sometimes the Rogue Trader’s compliance might be
guaranteed by more subtle means, such as the promise of
further powers or the granting of additional assets at various
stages in a voyage"

considering that winterscale at this stage of time is in quite bad shape, mere promise of discretely handing the rebellions on their worlds will ensure he will take over the worlds of freshly declared traitorous von valancius.

For chorda just remind her of crimes of previous heir of dynasty and assure they will be fully forgotten if she takes over for traitorous von valancius.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Originally posted by Daliena:

Right. He'll kill you, and just.. *Find* an heir. Something which took Theodora a colossal amount of time and effort to find you and Edelthrad, and now you'd both be dead.

And then he gets to be the one to deal with the rebellious section of the populace who are idiots loyal to Kunrad, AND the rebellious section of the populace who are loyal to you. Effectively fracturing the Von Valancius dynasty and losing much of it's power as opposed to the gargantuan task of pretending he didn't see you hanging out with a racist space elf once.

Or he tells Winterscale and Chorda to attack you, Winterscale ignores him because that's just how he rolls, Chorda declares war on you -and- Winterscale because that's how -she- rolls, and boom. Now all three Dynasties are tearing eachother apart, and Chaos is dancing a merry little jig because they literally didn't have to lift a finger to see much of the Expanse's forces that could've been arrayed against them to enter into civil war.

How bloody stupid would he have to be do to that?

"Every year, unrecorded numbers of the Imperium’s worlds
fall to rebellion, alien invasion, or natural disaster. A common
condition of the granting of a Warrant is that such worlds be
brought back into the fold by the application of overt military
power. Such missions are never what could be described
as diplomatic, unless a transmission demanding immediate
surrender can be counted as an ambassadorial communiqué.
Intelligence on such lost worlds might be incomplete or
compromised, based on accounts long out of date or deliberately
covered up. The Rogue Trader will be operating on the level
of a Lord Militant leading a crusade, and for such missions
additional military forces might be seconded to his command."

"Sometimes the Rogue Trader’s compliance might be
guaranteed by more subtle means, such as the promise of
further powers or the granting of additional assets at various
stages in a voyage"

considering that winterscale at this stage of time is in quite bad shape, mere promise of discretely handing the rebellions on their worlds will ensure he will take over the worlds of freshly declared traitorous von valancius.

For chorda just remind her of crimes of previous heir of dynasty and assure they will be fully forgotten if she takes over for traitorous von valancius.

Winterscale literally -doesn't care-. He doesn't even give a ♥♥♥♥ about the worlds he already has, you think he wants to take on more?

And Chorda would love to kill you both, but again, you know. That means war, and war means that men and material are being wasted that should instead be used against the forces of Chaos and Xenos threatening the Expanse - a far more IMMEDIATE threat than a few Rogue Traders bending the rules here and there. Any sane Inquisitor would realize that opening a new war front between the Dynasties is just wasting strength and giving the enemies of humanity more room to make their own plays.

Also, last bit of Quote Wars from me.

"The "Cold Trade," as it is known in the Calixis Sector, is the illegal trade of xenos commodities by unscrupulous individuals who deal with the alien either for profit or for survival's sake. Though highly-frowned upon by the Inquisition's Ordo Xenos, many of these items are not considered outright illegal in the Imperium of Man due to the impossibility of categorising and banning every item, device, or object that may or may not have been made by nonhuman hands.

The legality of such items are further muddied by the fact that certain individuals and agencies have had their right to exploit xenos races, conduct commerce outside Imperial space, or profit from alien plunder enshrined in law since the Imperium's founding. Foremost amongst these are those individuals or dynasties who hold a Warrant of Trade, known as Rogue Traders."

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

"The Inquisition is always watching, or at least it is foolish to
assume otherwise. In the Koronus Expanse their grasp may
not be as strong as in the Calixis Sector"
not as strong doesnt mean null, if they see you bring xeno tech to footfall you might be better off just asking for forgiveness.

Yeah.. No. As a Rogue Trader, you are literally authorized to trade with Xenos, as long as it's in the Imperium's interests.

In fact, if I may..

"Over the solar decades of his rule of the line, Krawkin Feckward has led many expeditions to locate new sources of both xenos artefacts and slaves, bringing examples of his wares into the courts of Imperial Commanders across the Calixis Sector and beyond. Feckward has broken countless laws in his dealings, and it is only his Warrant of Trade that keeps him from prosecution. He continues to remain just distant enough from heresy to avoid the ire of the Inquisition."

The Haarlock dynasty is another who is noted as having committed enough sins to "condemn themselves a thousand times over in the eyes of the Imperium if it were not for the legal protections of the Warrant."

"Perhaps the Rogue Trader was
acting to protect his own trade interests, moving against a
competitor with lethal force. If the interests are aliens, and
the competitors human, then the Rogue Trader may well find
himself on the wrong side in a war that soon escalates far and
above a trade dispute.
Furthermore, many Rogue Traders actually enjoy the
vicious cut and thrust of competitive trade, immersing
themselves in the politics of interstellar commerce. While
most are highly accomplished at such games, even a Rogue
Trader can become mired in a bad deal or find himself double-
bluffed and outmanoeuvred by a competitor. Before he knows
it, the Rogue Trader is forced to act against the interests of the
Imperium—and finds himsel the target of retribution."

Oh you acted against chorda who wanted to root out heresy from footfall, to get some profit, you mister iconoclast are now acting against imperium.

You allowed xenos to stay on janus and threaten the population mr dogmatic? you are acting against imperium.

You followed yrilet and got interrogator and navigator and future head of navigator house captured, well i hope you dont come back and dont tell me such silly things as hoping to keep her in retinue.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Oh you acted against chorda who wanted to root out heresy from footfall, to get some profit, you mister iconoclast are now acting against imperium.

You allowed xenos to stay on janus and threaten the population mr dogmatic? you are acting against imperium.

You followed yrilet and got interrogator and navigator and future head of navigator house captured, well i hope you dont come back and dont tell me such silly things as hoping to keep her in retinue.

That means war, and war means that men and material are being wasted that should instead be used against the forces of Chaos and Xenos threatening the Expanse - a far more IMMEDIATE threat than a few Rogue Traders bending the rules here and there. Any sane Inquisitor would realize that opening a new war front between the Dynasties is just wasting strength and giving the enemies of humanity more room to make their own plays.

Final statement. The Inquisitor would be a COLOSSAL MORON to start a war like that. It makes perfect sense for him to let these things slide - for now. And that's putting aside the muddy issue of whether what you were doing was illegal or not to begin with.

[Dryden]

It all eventually hinges on what the rest of the inquisition thinks when they become aware of or have time to look at the events that have taken place within the expanse.

An example would be a three letter agent throwing his weight around in some backwater area. You have all the power.. up until the agency reaches the conclusion that you were a criminal all along.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Oh you acted against chorda who wanted to root out heresy from footfall, to get some profit, you mister iconoclast are now acting against imperium.

You allowed xenos to stay on janus and threaten the population mr dogmatic? you are acting against imperium.

You followed yrilet and got interrogator and navigator and future head of navigator house captured, well i hope you dont come back and dont tell me such silly things as hoping to keep her in retinue.

That means war, and war means that men and material are being wasted that should instead be used against the forces of Chaos and Xenos threatening the Expanse - a far more IMMEDIATE threat than a few Rogue Traders bending the rules here and there. Any sane Inquisitor would realize that opening a new war front between the Dynasties is just wasting strength and giving the enemies of humanity more room to make their own plays.

Final statement. The Inquisitor would be a COLOSSAL MORON to start a war like that. It makes perfect sense for him to let these things slide - for now. And that's putting aside the muddy issue of whether what you were doing was illegal or not to begin with.

Inquisitor could inject whatever forces they want if such event happened, hell many eagerly await for just such excuse to purge this section of space of xenos and traitors.

But i agree, its better option to let it slide, thats why he did what he did in game...doesnt mean thats the extent of political machinations he can pull if he wishes it so.

Also winterscale pretends he doesnt care because hes too busy trying to control their own systems to deal with something else, its face saving measure for dynasty in decline.

[franz]

dunno , he didnt have any problems beein my underling as I became a chaos champion . One of my most likeminded companions .

[SolusiRadikal]

Bruh this is 40k world, a Grim dark future
Everyone, including, human, mutant, xenos, even sentient being are designed to be an a-hole

Heck, the main character is also an a-hole even in the most holiest way by imperium of man standard

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Inquisitor could inject whatever forces they want if such event happened, hell many eagerly await for just such excuse to purge this section of space of xenos and traitors.

But i agree, its better option to let it slide, thats why he did what he did in game...

Correction: He could inject whatever forces he -has-. Which, thanks to The Maw being basically shut unless you somehow managed to get a compliant Daemon to guide you through it or something, is very limited. The Inquisition does not maintain a vast army within the Koronus Expanse, and he can't call for reinforcements from the rest of the Imperium.

And frankly, even if he had open access to the Calixis Sector, he'd still need to deal with the Calixis Conclave and the other Imperial forces for actually receiving such troops. We could look at the Siege of Vraks.

Extremely important fortress world, taken over by the traitor Cardinal Xaphan. Years-long siege, Ordo Malleus seer warns that daemons are about to join that party (AND HOW - An'ggrath the Unbound, the single most powerful Bloodthirster of Khorne in existence, was going to personally drop by for a visit), and thus Lord Inquisitor Hector Rex sought permission from the Scarus Conclave to take over the war effort under the banner of the Ordo Malleus.

Well, the Ordo Hereticus threw a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they believed that Xaphan, as a traitor Cardinal, was within their remit, and when the Scarus Conclave (narrowly) voted to give control of the Siege of Vraks to the Ordo Malleus, the Hereticus leaned on the Administratum and had entire regiments of troops called away from Vraks as petty revenge.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

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Lord inquisitor of ordo xenos operating there without anybody knowing, unlikely, he is leader or part of leadership of that conclave or he already have permission.

Also there are other routes into koronus expanse, the maw is just the stable one.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Originally posted by Daliena:

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Lord inquisitor of ordo xenos operating there without anybody knowing, unlikely, he is leader or part of leadership of that conclave or he already have permission.

Permission to BE there, sure. Permission to drag entire armies away from the million other warfronts that the Imperium always has going on, not necessarily. If the Scarus Conclave is anything to go by, there is no singular leader who can force their will upon the entire Conclave - it must go to a vote.

And, again, that's even IF he could so much as get word back to the Calixis Conclave, and IF he could convince them to grant him an army, and IF that army could reach the Koronus Expanse.. #1 and #3 being effectively impossible, because again, The Maw is about impossible to traverse at the time period of this game.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Lord inquisitor of ordo xenos operating there without anybody knowing, unlikely, he is leader or part of leadership of that conclave or he already have permission.

Permission to BE there, sure. Permission to drag entire armies away from the million other warfronts that the Imperium always has going on, not necessarily. If the Scarus Conclave is anything to go by, there is no singular leader who can force their will upon the entire Conclave - it must go to a vote.

And, again, that's even IF he could so much as get word back to the Calixis Conclave, and IF he could convince them to grant him an army, and IF that army could reach the Koronus Expanse.. #1 and #3 being effectively impossible, because again, The Maw is about impossible to traverse at the time period of this game.

Inquisitor doesnt just go on vacation, if theyre there theyre there to investigate something or its their base.

They wont even have to convince anyone, just leak to a closest black templar crusading force information about drukhari presence in the system along with acolyte to steer them.

Also there are other routes into koronus expanse, the maw is just the stable one till events of the game.

[Xam Huad]

Heinrix hinted (several times) the Lord Inquisitor would make an entrance,
so you were warned. Also, one can fully anticipate this behavior from Lord Inquisitor.
Whether the latter is a jerk, nothing can be done about it. Just keep your cool.

One might even say that this is a nice touch, so people won't say in their reviews:
"your actions have no consequences", because they certainly do (to an extent).

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