Lord Inquisitor kind of a jerk

[ChompyRiley]

He's a grade-A jackass. Busts into my house, knocks out my servant, acts snide and accusatory, and generally acts like King ♥♥♥♥. Boy was lucky I didn't put a bolt in his skull and decapitate Heinrix. I'm no heretic, and anyone who can even remotely watch my actions will know that my sole concern is for my people and their welfare. It's a real shame there's no option later to just eject his little spy out into space.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by ChompyRiley:

If you try to tell him to make the request in public, he says 'oh, you want to see who's got more authority? okay then, I'm using my authority to override your objections and conscript you into the service of the inquisition. if you refuse, you'll be tried for heresy.'

You see. You have the right to refuse. And trial will be initiated. That is not how Inquisition orders people. it will basically be a battle of influence, connections and authority. Not that a fledgling Rogue Trader has many chances though.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Not outrank. As it is mentioned multiple times in the game, he can't give you orders. His authority over matters and people is higher than yours though.

Dude, it really is not, inside the borders of Imperial space yes he does. Outside Imperial space where the game takes place, no one outranks a RT with an original Emperor signed Warrant of Trade, no one.

other RT's with a similar warrant do not outrank you, they are your equals, as is the Lord Inquisitor, and he even admits as much in the game story itself.

Which is why it pissed me off because you get little to no opportunity to A remind him of this fact, B be treated like an equal, C decide for yourself (which you have the rank and authority) to do so, you're literally one of the very very few people in the Imperium who has this power, and the game does a poor job of showing it in your interactions with him.

He absolutely should have requested an audience with you, that is how powerful you are, its not a good idea to try pissing someone off who can make your life just as difficult as you can do theirs.

[corisai]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Which is why it pissed me off because you get little to no opportunity to A remind him of this fact, B be treated like an equal, C decide for yourself (which you have the rank and authority)

Honestly - at your first meeting MC have issues with authority himself, being both complete new and without full control of von Valancious domain. So it's in your best interest to avoid conflict with Lord-Inquisitor at this moment.

Later... situation will change :)

[I Denizen I]

I'm going out for 2 days now so sadly this will be my last post for a while.

This is from the RT RPG rulebook :

""While the Warrant of Trade confers on it's bearer tremendous privileges, it is when the Rogue Trader passes beyond the borders of the Imperium that the true power of the Warrant becomes manifest. Within the Imperium, Rogue Traders move within the established power structures of the Imperium. Outside of the Imperium, Rogue Traders define those structures themselves. Indeed it has been said that the Rogue Trader speaks with the Authority of the Emperor Himself beyond the Fringes."

"The Warrant of Trade issued to all Rogue Traders grants not only permission to go beyond the Imperiums borders, but to deal with who or whatever might be out there with the full authority of the Senetorum Imperialis, the High Lords. The Warrant also elevates the recipient to the highest of ranks to which a servant may rise, granting him equivalent status with such men and women as Imperial Commanders, Inquisitors, and Space Marine Chapter Masters. They are granted the power to deal with such peers of the Imperium as equals, and the warrant allowing them to call upon what aid they can negotiate."

You don't seem to grasp how powerful a Rogue Traders actually are.

Outside Imp Space they define what Imperial power and authority is, they create everything from scratch and set up anything and everything to make things run the way they should to expand Imperial influence and eventually it's borders.

You're not some chump a Lord Inquis gets to order about and treat like a peon.

[Harukage]

In case you have not noticed, since there are established Rogue Trader dynasties who hold wast territory - it is Imperium. It is their damn work to chart unknown space, create new colonies, and find ancient lost colonies FOR THE IMPERIUM. It is a frontier, but still is Imperium. It is not an unknown space or xenos territory.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by ChompyRiley:

Originally posted by His Divine Shadow:

I feel like you don’t understand the lore surrounding his position as an inquisitor

He's trying to bully a sanctioned and Emperor-blessed Rogue Trader in their own palace in the heart of their protectorate

As is his right. Though I didn’t take it as bullying because I’m a loyal servant of the imperium.

[DarkFenix]

You guys are vastly underestimating the authority of the Inquisition. The Warrant of Trade does give a rogue trader considerable freedom in travel and dealings with xenos, it also gives you an exceptionally high rank within Imperial nobility.

None of that matters when you're dealing with the Inquisition, they occupy a position that transcends anything silly like rank or title, if you are judged to be acting in a way that is heretical or treasonous, you're done.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Which is why it pissed me off because you get little to no opportunity to A remind him of this fact, B be treated like an equal, C decide for yourself (which you have the rank and authority)

Honestly - at your first meeting MC have issues with authority himself, being both complete new and without full control of von Valancious domain. So it's in your best interest to avoid conflict with Lord-Inquisitor at this moment.

Later... situation will change :)

I agree, it's honestly what I thought had happened to Theodora (executed by an Imperial Assassin on the LI orders, because we're beyond the Imp borders and he could get away with it.) we're definitely a greenhorn, even still it would have been nice for a line where you try bucking him by pointing out exactly who you are.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

You guys are vastly underestimating the authority of the Inquisition. The Warrant of Trade does give a rogue trader considerable freedom in travel and dealings with xenos, it also gives you an exceptionally high rank within Imperial nobility.

None of that matters when you're dealing with the Inquisition, they occupy a position that transcends anything silly like rank or title, if you are judged to be acting in a way that is heretical or treasonous, you're done.

You're wrong, completely and utterly wrong. And I'm going out someone else will have to explain why to you.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by ChompyRiley:

Concern for my people, a desire to believe in the inherent goodness of humanity, and a certain level of desire to do the right thing are heretical? Piss off with that.

Yes, it literally is. Welcome to the Imperium of Man.

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Inside the imperiums borders sure, outside no they do not in fact outrank a RT with a emperor signed/blooded warrant of trade.

The Koronus Expanse is still inside the IoM AFAIK, and, most importantly, you're still a subject of the Imperium, and Lord Inquisitors still outrank Rogue Traders regardless of the area of space they are in. The Warrant gives you rights greater than most but you still can't commit blatant heresy.

Originally posted by corisai:

Not in case of Rogue Trader with Emperor-signed mandate (as Inquisition itself wasn't sanctioned by Emperor). Through it's usually in your best interest to consider a request from Lord-Inquisitor, that's true :)

Yes, they do. Rogue Traders aren't above Inquisitors regardless of the quality of their Warrant; their Warrant gives them some additional rights (or more legal leeway), but if they commit (unsanctioned) heresy, the Inquisition can indeed pay them a visit.

[corisai]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

You guys are vastly underestimating the authority of the Inquisition.

You're overestimate their official power. Inquisition is NOT sanctioned by Emperor so don't have authority to mess with institutions established by Himself, except of situations they'd caught them red-handed with heresy or betrayal. All such institutions known to refuse Inquisition requests from time to time.

But to battle heresy and xenos threatening your worlds also a PART of your duties - and that's exactly the job Lord-Inquisitor "offering" to you at first. So refusal is not an option.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

You're wrong, completely and utterly wrong. And I'm going out someone else will have to explain why to you.

Even the text you quoted says that, at best, Rogue Traders are equal to the Inquisition. That doesn't mean above them or immune to Inquisitorial investigation.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

You guys are vastly underestimating the authority of the Inquisition.

You're overestimate their official power. Inquisition is NOT sanctioned by Emperor so don't have authority to mess with institutions established by Himself, except of situations they'd caught them red-handed with heresy or betrayal. All such institutions known to refuse Inquisition requests from time to time.

But to battle heresy and xenos threatening your worlds also a PART of your duties - and that's exactly the job Lord-Inquisitor "offering" to you at first. So refusal is not an option.

Yes it was. Malcador the Sigillite created the (proto)Inquisition on the orders of the Emperor during the Siege of Terra.

[jonoliveira12]

He is not, he just plays his part, really well.
He has to get you to cooperate, and uses threats to do so, because he cannot directly command you, and he knows the Imperium is losing it's hold in the sector, with Winterscale basically being openly heretical, Chorda being so uptight she is actually causing issues, and the Aurora Cult spreading like wildfire, as well as multiple xenos incursions in multiple places at once.

Couple that with the ship that brought Heinrix being corrupted by Nurgle, and he is right to fear for the sector, which gives off the indication that it is about to fall into a Warpstorm, and either be lost forever, or so brutalized there will little to salvage.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

You guys are vastly underestimating the authority of the Inquisition.

You're overestimate their official power. Inquisition is NOT sanctioned by Emperor so don't have authority to mess with institutions established by Himself, except of situations they'd caught them red-handed with heresy or betrayal. All such institutions known to refuse Inquisition requests from time to time.

But to battle heresy and xenos threatening your worlds also a PART of your duties - and that's exactly the job Lord-Inquisitor "offering" to you at first. So refusal is not an option.

Furthermore, the Inquisition.. Has a bad habit of not taking "no" for an answer. They may not OFFICIALLY have the power to bring you to heel, but that doesn't mean that they won't make your existence extremely annoying at best, and extremely short at worst, whether they technically have the legal authority to do so or not.

And given that the only ones with the authority to rein them in, in turn, are A: The High Lords of Terra who have a lot more important things to consider than one bit-player in the frontier, B: Other Inquisitors (wherein it turns into political lobbying to see if Calcazar can secure enough influence that they won't bother him in turn as long as he doesn't go TOO crazy), or C: A certain paraplegic skeleton who is currently pre-occupied with a ten-millennia long bathroom break..

Well, it's frankly the pragmatic option to humor the Inquisition instead of going "♥♥♥♥ you, I won't do what you tell me!" purely because you resent authority instead of some actual good reason.