Stormbolter vs 'eavy Bolter

[REhorror]

That is the question.

Rate of fire is king for burst character, 'eavy got 8, Stormbolter got 6, but Stormbotler got more damage AND armor penetration.

One downside of Stormbolter is you have to reload every 2 bursts, BUT you can take rapid reload and save a bunch of talents on 'eavy weapons.

What do you think? Or maybe I should put the Storm bolter to my Grand strategist RT instead?

[Xerkics]

The storm bolter is better vs he initial heavy bolter for sure imo and you can reload it for free anyway.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Xerkics:

The storm bolter is better vs he initial heavy bolter for sure imo and you can reload it for free anyway.

Nice, gonna pump the Kaballistica's stock.

[DarkFenix]

The storm bolter does marginally more damage than the heavy bolter but has to reload constantly.

However, the question of which is better is moot, because the calibrated heavy stubber is better than both, and that's available two rep ranks earlier from the same merchant.

Calibrated heavy stubber has a rate of fire of 12 and can burst for only 1 AP. It's probably the most ridiculous lead-spitter in the whole game.

[Xerkics]

Calibrated h stubbed has much lower pen than normal stubber tho. Have you tried the piercing drukhari cannon ? It’s pretty nuts poisons too.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

The storm bolter does marginally more damage than the heavy bolter but has to reload constantly.

However, the question of which is better is moot, because the calibrated heavy stubber is better than both, and that's available two rep ranks earlier from the same merchant.

Calibrated heavy stubber has a rate of fire of 12 and can burst for only 1 AP. It's probably the most ridiculous lead-spitter in the whole game.

But...but...it's not a bolter weapon.
I theme Argenta around bolter.

Me, the solid lead spitter, is the guy holding 2 pistols and the heavy stubber.

[corisai]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Rate of fire is king for burst character, 'eavy got 8, Stormbolter got 6, but Stormbotler got more damage AND armor penetration.

Do you have anti-recoil items or not?

Because before them - low recoil is THE king and not huge rate of fire. For example - M40 autogun you're getting from Fidelio questline is >>> heavy bolter & stormbolter early.

P.S. And once you have anti-recoil items - strongest option is calibrated heavy stubber (or xenos guns) anyway.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

I went with the improved heavy bolter myself due to its higher rate of fire and talents that boost damage, though in the table top the storm bolter is much stronger.

[Khryst]

there's also the difference in the "weapon expert" talent.

the stubber is solid and it's expert talent gives +2 to MINIMUM DAMAGE
the bolter expertise is an additional 10% armor penetration.

[Neoz]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Rate of fire is king for burst character, 'eavy got 8, Stormbolter got 6, but Stormbotler got more damage AND armor penetration.

Do you have anti-recoil items or not?

Because before them - low recoil is THE king and not huge rate of fire. For example - M40 autogun you're getting from Fidelio questline is >>> heavy bolter & stormbolter early.

P.S. And once you have anti-recoil items - strongest option is calibrated heavy stubber (or xenos guns) anyway.

I'd argue the strongest option is that improved heavy bolter ryzza sells

[REhorror]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Rate of fire is king for burst character, 'eavy got 8, Stormbolter got 6, but Stormbotler got more damage AND armor penetration.

Do you have anti-recoil items or not?

Because before them - low recoil is THE king and not huge rate of fire. For example - M40 autogun you're getting from Fidelio questline is >>> heavy bolter & stormbolter early.

P.S. And once you have anti-recoil items - strongest option is calibrated heavy stubber (or xenos guns) anyway.

There's one glove that basically gives -50% recoil, I don't remember where I got it from tho, probably Druisian.

I do think there needs an explaination for recoil stats, but basically recoil means more accuracy right?

[Mack]

The automatic single shot bolter hits item makes the Heavy Bolter the best. The ultimate where you fire off as many single shots as your gun's ROF makes it incredibly overpowered.

Concentrated Fire, Bolter Spec, Rapid Fire (w/ Unfaltering Fire) and other skills like Revel In Slaughter, Devastating Attack, combined with talents for heavy weapons (Heavy Gunner, Broad Expertise, Rack & Ruin, Muzzle Velocity, Fired Up, Overpower, Breaking Point.

Late game you can get an improved Heavy Bolter (which adds +1 to ROF for every kill), and the Exemplar skills Cataclysm (+3% damage for every new enemy hit) and in particular, Extermination (which is brutally broken by burst weapons skill giving you +1 damage for every ATTACK you make). The stubber can't compare.

You can get equipment:
* Blessed Bolter Case makes her ultimate disgustingly powerful, shooting at least 8 auto hitting heavy bolter shots you can clear the board of low health enemies or put a huge amount of damage into a single enemy.
* Long Range Aim Lens (range attack distance increase, which increases hit chances and turns the heavy bolter into a sniper rifle with the blessed bolter case)
* Gunslinger's Helmet (significantly increases damage)
* Tactical Backpack (adds 1 more shot to the heavy bolter, it's a reputation item)
* Recoil Warboots.

There's multiple gloves that can do some incredible good things, like the Heavy Lifters which if you leave your character in place they get +50% damage on the next turn, bullet hell gloves which add another 1 to the ROF and inflict perplexed on enemies on kills, sniper gloves for +5% damage, crit chance, stab bracers which improve BS and add more crit damage.

The best one is probably the Compensator Gloves, which lets you ignore recoil while bursting, and increases the ROF massively

Set her up right and she can walk in front of the hardest target in a combat and pour 16 to 20 shots right into their face, then follow up with an ultimate of 10 more single shots that auto-hit.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Mack:

The automatic single shot bolter hits item makes the Heavy Bolter the best. The ultimate where you fire off as many single shots as your gun's ROF makes it incredibly overpowered.

Concentrated Fire, Bolter Spec, Rapid Fire (w/ Unfaltering Fire) and other skills like Revel In Slaughter, Devastating Attack, combined with talents for heavy weapons (Heavy Gunner, Broad Expertise, Rack & Ruin, Muzzle Velocity, Fired Up, Overpower, Breaking Point.

Late game you can get an improved Heavy Bolter, and the Exemplar skills Cataclysm (+3% damage for every new enemy hit) and in particular, Extermination (which is brutally broken by burst weapons skill giving you +1 damage for every ATTACK you make). The stubber can't compare.

You get equipment:
* Blessed Bolter Case makes her ultimate disgustingly powerful, shooting at least 8 auto hitting heavy bolter shots you can clear the board of low health enemies or put a huge amount of damage into a single enemy.
* Long Range Aim Lens (range attack distance increase, which increases hit chances and turns the heavy bolter into a sniper rifle with the blessed bolter case)
* Gunslinger's Helmet (significantly increases damage)
* Tactical Backpack (adds 1 more shot to the heavy bolter, it's a reputation item)
* Recoil Warboots.

There's multiple gloves that can do some incredibly things, like the Heavy Lifters which if you leave your character in place they get +50% damage on the next turn, bullet hell gloves which add another 1 to the ROF and inflict perplexed on enemies on kills, sniper gloves for +5% damage, crit chance, stab bracers which improve BS and add more crit damage.

There's even better equipment beyond those.

Set her up right and she can walk in front of the hardest target in a combat and pour 16 to 20 shots right into their face, then follow up with an ultimate of 10 more single shots that auto-hit.

Not getting that far yet, but does that mean the 'eavy stubber STILL the better choice due to 12 rate of fire?

EDIT: If that's true I might as well just repec Argenta for the stubber, just one more perk for solid damage and pair her up with the shotguns.

[DarkFenix]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by corisai:

Do you have anti-recoil items or not?

Because before them - low recoil is THE king and not huge rate of fire. For example - M40 autogun you're getting from Fidelio questline is >>> heavy bolter & stormbolter early.

P.S. And once you have anti-recoil items - strongest option is calibrated heavy stubber (or xenos guns) anyway.

There's one glove that basically gives -50% recoil, I don't remember where I got it from tho, probably Druisian.

I do think there needs an explaination for recoil stats, but basically recoil means more accuracy right?

Recoil, from what I've read, imposes that number as a direct accuracy penalty on all shots after the first.

There are also gloves that negate recoil entirely, but those are an extremely late game item (second last tier from one of the factions, probably not an item most people will ever actually get).

[corisai]

Originally posted by rorek55:

I'd argue the strongest option is that improved heavy bolter ryzza sells

Act 4 one? You either need to pre-plan from him from start of the game or will receive it so late that it would be mostly irrelevant.

Originally posted by rorek55:

I do think there needs an explaination for recoil stats, but basically recoil means more accuracy right?

Basically all shots besides first get max hit chance equal to MIN(your BS, 95) - Recoil.

[REhorror]

And...what about armor penetration?

Does crit automatically penetrate all armor, or?