Why do we only have an escort ship?

[KING]

I mean, before ourselves the great dynasty of house Valancius supposed to be on level with Winterscale who happens to own a GRAND CRUISER (Emperor's Vow)....
I don't know about Chorda but I bet she also has more than an escort ship as her flagship.
I mean honestly someone was seriously ignoring their homework... its like a Fiat against a Chevy Suburban...

For those who don't know the two ships have 5 classes as difference between them.

Frigates (our ship) -> Heavy Frigates -> Light Cruisers -> Cruisers -> Battle Cruisers -> Grand Cruisers (Calligos's ship) -> Battleships

How did the von Valancius dynasty survive against anything until now?

[zastcat]

to the people saying a frigate is the best you can possibly get, no, it really isn't, even in a frontier territory like the koronus expanse there's a surprising number of shipyards and mothballed warships that a rogue trader could get their hands on, and that's for dynasties much smaller and weaker than 1 that got its warrant straight from the emperor and that are considered rivals to the winterscales and chorda

to the people saying an upgunned frigate is "the most efficient", also no, that's laughably wrong, for all the work that would need to go into making the frigate we get even remotely viable against larger or more numerous ships it's still a frigate, when you put it against anything bigger it's *always* the underdog because the way 40k space combat works even upgunned you're still running around in the ship that all the *actual* factors in a battle swat like flies

put that same effort into improving on a ship that can already hold its own like a cruiser and you get an actual "super ship", what we have instead is an escort ship with extra gun emplacements slapped on that survives some of the battles we get into only because it's the only ship actually using all the abilities available instead of just having the movement skills active every turn like the npcs do

[Xerkics]

And letting you watch Calligos having a grand cruiser is like rubbing salt in the wound those are practically non existent since heresy and mostly show up in chaos fleets and yet we can only get an escort? Even if it performs well after all the skills you get , it still looks like ass and is frankly humiliating from roleplaying stand point . Wouldn’t put it past calligos saying so I seen your so called “flagship” and laughing at you during your coronation.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Xerkics:

And letting you watch Calligos having a grand cruiser is like rubbing salt in the wound those are practically non existent since heresy and mostly show up in chaos fleets and yet we can only get an escort? Even if it performs well after all the skills you get , it still looks like ass and is frankly humiliating from roleplaying stand point . Wouldn’t put it past calligos saying so I seen your so called “flagship” and laughing at you during your coronation.

Calligos is a heretic, so he gets a big ship, to compensate for his wrath at the Emperor, for having a small wurst.

[Papa Nurgle]

I have to agree. Should at least had an upgunned cruiser. I cant imagine putting that much effort to modify one of the smallest ship classes in 40k, especially considering you are out on a frontier having no real support beyond your own dynasty. And that is just a lore standpoint. In game itself, why do we have a frigate when we are outmached in so many space battles. Who wants to get 1 shot by a Drukhari destroyer?

[pascal.difolco]

Not only we only have 1 Escort, but it suicides itself turn 1 and has no meaningful impact on battles at all
That's the main issue
Let the player play it pretty please!!

[I Denizen I]

I'd have been happy for a big long multiple mission where you board a larger vessel (even with timers) to capture it, think the end of ME3 where you have different companions off leading your armsmen with chances of success or failure based on skill/talent combo's and if you succeed you now have a larger ship, and keep your original ship as a support vessel, instead of the useless frigate we get.

We can only hope it's a planned DLC around getting a Cruiser, I mean you could make enough content to justify it. (maybe they could have you hunt down a hulk clear it of what ever bad guys they put in it, and then missions where you bring it components to get it under power for a tow to a ship yard you own.) if they don't like the steal one option.

[KING]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

I'd have been happy for a big long multiple mission where you board a larger vessel (even with timers) to capture it, think the end of ME3 where you have different companions off leading your armsmen with chances of success or failure based on skill/talent combo's and if you succeed you now have a larger ship, and keep your original ship as a support vessel, instead of the useless frigate we get.

We can only hope it's a planned DLC around getting a Cruiser, I mean you could make enough content to justify it. (maybe they could have you hunt down a hulk clear it of what ever bad guys they put in it, and then missions where you bring it components to get it under power for a tow to a ship yard you own.) if they don't like the steal one option.

Oh yes I also think we need an overhaul of the space combat and ships.

1. Let players capture/buy/steal new ships.
2. Add them to a fleet.
3. Let them control them in combat, no stupid AI.
4. GET A BIGGER SHIP AS FLAGSHIP.

[~ Fabulous ~]

Originally posted by KING:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

An ancient dynasty that chose well, and upgunned a Frigate, instead of acting like the Winterscale clowns, who got an unmissable torpedo magnet.

And no, these ships take dedicated dockyards to build and maintain. A bigger ship would only drive your profit rating down.

I respect your reasoning. I agree with the effectiveness of that math. However as a grand dynasty you have to give on the 'looks' parameter as well. You should have an impact on the battlefield not only with guns but flair as well to make sure that your enemy won't forget you or potential enemies will avoid you (since they expect a difficult fight). An upgunned frigate is good but it is not scarry.

probably because it is a boondocks Dynasty, Calixis Sector is new, the Koronus Expanse is even newer, why big dynasty even go there? just let the smaller houses do the heavy lifting and then do a rug pull. I even suspect that will be the actual headcanon for the Koronus Expanse, the Von Valancius will be written off from history as if they never exist.
The Von Valancius is noting special, many rogue trader dynasty also only have 1 ship.

[Xam Huad]

The ship is part of the story and doesn't behave like a normal ship would.
It's unique and upgunned, far outperforming bigger ships.

Had one gone to "hijack" a bigger ship from the enemy,
the captain would probably put it as an escort ship anyway.

As for "acquisition": would surmise that acquired ships
would only ever replace the one escort ship,
because one is a Rogue Trader with a custom ship.

The fact that one can't micromanage the escort ship,
(debatable) just means it doesn't even really matter.
It's basically there as a satellite formality.
The undeveloped moon to the overdeveloped planet so to speak.

The Emperor Protects

[Morti]

Agree, but if they allow us to build/buy more ships ( we have a fleet, because our servants say us our fleet tried to defend dragonus when dark eldars attack ) they have to remove some of the stupid OP powers from the ship's XP ( or at least reduce their efficiency and make them work )

[rubyismycat]

im not worried about the size of my vessel mind you i have had 60 years to get used to having a very small one