Why do we only have an escort ship?

[KING]

I mean, before ourselves the great dynasty of house Valancius supposed to be on level with Winterscale who happens to own a GRAND CRUISER (Emperor's Vow)....
I don't know about Chorda but I bet she also has more than an escort ship as her flagship.
I mean honestly someone was seriously ignoring their homework... its like a Fiat against a Chevy Suburban...

For those who don't know the two ships have 5 classes as difference between them.

Frigates (our ship) -> Heavy Frigates -> Light Cruisers -> Cruisers -> Battle Cruisers -> Grand Cruisers (Calligos's ship) -> Battleships

How did the von Valancius dynasty survive against anything until now?

[Solomon Kane]

How many Imperial Shipyards does the Koronus Expanse have? Make a guess.

The Expanse is also cut off from the Empire for the time being.

Your lucky you got the one.

[KING]

Originally posted by Solomon Kane:

How many Imperial Shipyards does the Koronus Expanse have? Make a guess.

The Expanse is also cut off from the Empire for the time being.

Your lucky you got the one.

Right Theodora was always cut off from the Imperium, her predecessor also I guess and every single von Valancius....

[jonoliveira12]

It survived because your ship is so upgunned, it has the same firepower as a Battlecruiser.
Bigger ship does not mean more guns, or better performance.
Caravels were tiny compared to Asian warships of their time, yet 2 Caravels could often defeat whole navies of 70 or more ships, simply because they had more, and more advanced, guns.

The Von Valancius flagship Frigate is ridiculously upgunned for it's native class. It can even have a Lance weapon, which is often reserved for much larger vessels.

Also, in space, a big ship just means a big target, after a certain point.

[Schlumpsha]

My head canon told me it's the voidship incarnation of the Adoring Fan sidekick from TES. And that its vox broadcasts would proof to be as equally annoying, should we ever hear them. I shudder at the mere thought...

[KING]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

It survived because your ship is so upgunned, it has the same firepower as a Battlecruiser.
Bigger ship does not mean more guns, or better performance.
Caravels were tiny compared to Asian warships of their time, yet 2 Caravels could often defeat whole navies of 70 or more ships, simply because they had more, and more advanced, guns.

The Von Valancius flagship Frigate is ridiculously upgunned for it's native class. It can even have a Lance weapon, which is often reserved for much larger vessels.

Also, in space, a big ship just means a big target, after a certain point.

With all due respect, we are talking about an ancient dynasty... I mean they should have had the option at some point to perhaps maybe get a bigger one, like everyone else?

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by KING:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

It survived because your ship is so upgunned, it has the same firepower as a Battlecruiser.
Bigger ship does not mean more guns, or better performance.
Caravels were tiny compared to Asian warships of their time, yet 2 Caravels could often defeat whole navies of 70 or more ships, simply because they had more, and more advanced, guns.

The Von Valancius flagship Frigate is ridiculously upgunned for it's native class. It can even have a Lance weapon, which is often reserved for much larger vessels.

Also, in space, a big ship just means a big target, after a certain point.

With all due respect, we are talking about an ancient dynasty... I mean they should have had the option at some point to perhaps maybe get a bigger one, like everyone else?

An ancient dynasty that chose well, and upgunned a Frigate, instead of acting like the Winterscale clowns, who got an unmissable torpedo magnet.

And no, these ships take dedicated dockyards to build and maintain. A bigger ship would only drive your profit rating down.

[KING]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by KING:

With all due respect, we are talking about an ancient dynasty... I mean they should have had the option at some point to perhaps maybe get a bigger one, like everyone else?

An ancient dynasty that chose well, and upgunned a Frigate, instead of acting like the Winterscale clowns, who got an unmissable torpedo magnet.

And no, these ships take dedicated dockyards to build and maintain. A bigger ship would only drive your profit rating down.

I respect your reasoning. I agree with the effectiveness of that math. However as a grand dynasty you have to give on the 'looks' parameter as well. You should have an impact on the battlefield not only with guns but flair as well to make sure that your enemy won't forget you or potential enemies will avoid you (since they expect a difficult fight). An upgunned frigate is good but it is not scarry.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by KING:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

An ancient dynasty that chose well, and upgunned a Frigate, instead of acting like the Winterscale clowns, who got an unmissable torpedo magnet.

And no, these ships take dedicated dockyards to build and maintain. A bigger ship would only drive your profit rating down.

I respect your reasoning. I agree with the effectiveness of that math. However as a grand dynasty you have to give on the 'looks' parameter as well. You should have an impact on the battlefield not only with guns but flair as well to make sure that your enemy won't forget you or potential enemies will avoid you (since they expect a difficult fight). An upgunned frigate is good but it is not scarry.

You just want a bigger ship, however, now there is no way to get one.
It would also be a bad deal, and there are very good reasons why imperial ships constantly get smashed by Eldar corsairs in this setting, with their MUCH SMALLER, MORE EFFICIENT designs.

They gave us a Frigate with 5 weapon ports, which is really top of the line, as far as imperial designs go, in 40K.
They essentially gave you a custom-made supership, by the standards of the setting.

[Gary Frank]

I remember while in a loading screen it says our ship is only centuries old. I'm not SUPER adept at ship lore in 40k, but doesn't that mean our ship is relatively new? I guess it could be old considering how everything in 40k is all about explosions, but I saw another passage ingame saying it's rare for voidships to outright explode. So I'm right back to thinking it's a newer ship and our dynasty is newer one, but our Warrant of Trade is signed by THE GOD EMPEROR HIMSELF so that means it's one of the OG dynasties. So what happened to The Great Crusade era ship?

[Riftwalker]

the frigate isn't just upgunned but running some other stuff story wise that has made theodora keep this specific frigate

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Riftwalker:

the frigate isn't just upgunned but running some other stuff story wise that has made theodora keep this specific frigate

Yes, it is a unique supership, in this setting. It is not even comparable to other frigates, because it outshines them as much as a modern Destroyer would outshine a Galleon from the 1500s.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Gary Frank:

I remember while in a loading screen it says our ship is only centuries old. I'm not SUPER adept at ship lore in 40k, but doesn't that mean our ship is relatively new? I guess it could be old considering how everything in 40k is all about explosions, but I saw another passage ingame saying it's rare for voidships to outright explode. So I'm right back to thinking it's a newer ship and our dynasty is newer one, but our Warrant of Trade is signed by THE GOD EMPEROR HIMSELF so that means it's one of the OG dynasties. So what happened to The Great Crusade era ship?

It was probably custom-made, by commission, on Theodora's request.
Despite her heresy, she was deeply pragmatic, and the frigate we get is MUCH STRONGER than most other ships in the universe, punching up way above it's size class, in basically every metric.

[[HdF] Almut Grete]

I am a total noob when it comes to warhammer, 40k or ships, but isn*t the ship we get here a (battle)cruiser and not an escort ship (frigate)?
I think i do have an escort with me in since act 2 and it is very "pointy" unlike my more "bottom-heavy" ship.

Edit: Ah, nvm. I was thinking of Gothik and this wiki article https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy#Battleships . Always thought the "pointy" ram is what makes up a Frigate. Says Sword, Falchicon or Firestorm right in the game.

[Khloros]

Originally posted by Solomon Kane:

How many Imperial Shipyards does the Koronus Expanse have? Make a guess.

The Expanse is also cut off from the Empire for the time being.

Your lucky you got the one.

...umm....you do know that you own a forge world, with an orbital ship yard right?

[Xerkics]

I really like void combat and for me it’s one of the big appeals of the game and It really bothers me that we can’t start with better ship if you are an ex navy commander or capture / recover a lost ship of our dynasty. Like fonding one from that place in act 3 would have been ideal to let you have a bigger ship in act 4 forwards. I could understand if those ships weren’t in the game but to add insult to injury you have to hunt pirates with one ! Some lame weak ass pirates who have much better ship than you in act 4 that’s just insulting frankly . At least give us a choice of cruisers in xpansion then .

P.s: considering your ship is overturned anyway it should have been a much nicer looking cruiser to begin with.

P.s2: a greater variety of ships would have made for more interesting space combat as well and we could have picked up different type of escort from each world .