So is it worth getting that trait for medium armor or should i put heavy instead later on?

[BlackViper]

cause i lose hp quite often lol.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

The two choices are for different builds.

Medium Armor + Second Skin (no dodge penalty for medium armor) is the best choice for a character that is going to have very high dodge, such as one focusing Agility.

Heavy Armor is a better choice for characters that will have a low dodge anyway. If your dodge is going to be less than the dodge reduction of the enemies you will fight, then your effective dodge is zero and losing half of zero means losing nothing at all.

[talemore]

Thick skin work different on a warrior than on a soldier.

The warrior gets +1 deflection while the soldier gets medium armor as light armor.

It is meant to have agility on a soldier and why the thick skin only provide such upgrade.

You not going to get much from heavy armor on a soldier and the warrior gets +2-3 deflection that you not going to keep up.

[talemore]

With operatives and officers it's mostly about clothes and that you can use the armor as clothes. Both soldiers and warriors work well for the purpose of tanking. They just have different ways.

If we think about it a soldier would likely be better wirh swords and parry than a warrior,
The parry stack with agility and parry deals no damage to the one who parry.

Warriors have better armor that they sometimes become superior snipers by being able to use cover and sit in a cover position and sniper every enemy.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by talemore:

Thick skin work different on a warrior than on a soldier.

Thick Skin is a different talent not related to medium or heavy armor.

Originally posted by talemore:

The warrior gets +1 deflection while the soldier gets medium armor as light armor.

This is completely incorrect. Thick Skin is not available for Soldiers.

[talemore]

The logic behind warrior sniper is the damage bracket of each weapon. Snipers end up against snipers and snipers have higher damage for each shot which means it will take more armor to reduce the damage.

Higher armor reduce damage from autopistols as well but the idea is that to have easy to use armor against easier targets. We know it is not IF the sniper will hit the target and when.
We do it to their easy to kill targets why should they be any different. We kill each and every low hp and low armour with a single sniper shot.

[talemore]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Originally posted by talemore:

Thick skin work different on a warrior than on a soldier.

Thick Skin is a different talent not related to medium or heavy armor.

Originally posted by talemore:

The warrior gets +1 deflection while the soldier gets medium armor as light armor.

This is completely incorrect. Thick Skin is not available for Soldiers.

There's nothing equivalent ? yes they are having the purpose to be the same coin.
You not meant to have heavy armour because the soldier's thick skin allow them to use medium armour as if it was light armour.

No we're not going to argue that you're an anal. Why don't you lecture the OP for being incorrect.


"that trait for medium armor" is not in the game as well. Who the hell do you think you are?

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by talemore:

If we think about it a soldier would likely be better wirh swords and parry than a warrior,
The parry stack with agility and parry deals no damage to the one who parry.

Just ridiculously false. Agility does not affect your Parry Chance; it is based on your Weapon Skill. You can have a high Weapon Skill on a Soldier, but it will come more naturally for a Warrior.

In any case, your armor choice (light/medium/heavy) is irrelevant to your Parry Chance. Your weapon choice may factor in, however.

Originally posted by talemore:

Warriors have better armor that they sometimes become superior snipers by being able to use cover and sit in a cover position and sniper every enemy.

Also nonsense and irrelevant to the topic. You can make a Warrior Sniper, but that character would have been better with any of the other three starting archetypes. Literally the worst choice for a sniper and has nothing to do with the topic of this thread... armor choice and the Second Skin talent.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by talemore:

The logic behind warrior sniper is the damage bracket of each weapon. Snipers end up against snipers and snipers have higher damage for each shot which means it will take more armor to reduce the damage.

You can play a sniper wearing heavy armor as any archetype. You don't have to be a Warrior... and you probably shouldn't be, because Warrior is the worst choice for a sniper.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by talemore:

There's nothing equivalent ? yes they are having the purpose to be the same coin.
You not meant to have heavy armour because the soldier's thick skin allow them to use medium armour as if it was light armour.

A) As I said, Solders cannot take Thick Skin.
B) A Solder with high Agility can take Second Skin and keep their full dodge while wearing medium armor. However, it is also possible to make a Soldier with low Agility that doesn't take Second Skin and wears heavy armor.

Originally posted by talemore:

No we're not going to argue that you're an anal.

Originally posted by talemore:

Who the hell do you think you are?

I'm just correcting the false information you are spreading around. You can dislike that if you want, but it isn't personal. I'd be correcting the things you've said no matter who had said them.

If you don't want your false information corrected, my suggestion is that you stop posting false information.

Originally posted by talemore:

Why don't you lecture the OP for being incorrect.

"that trait for medium armor" is not in the game as well.

I didn't lecture them for being wrong, but I did correct them by using the actual name of the talent. If they had argued with me, saying that the correct name was "that trait for medium armor" then I would have "lectured" them.

Lashing out at someone else isn't going to make the false things you are saying true.

[Cutlass Jack]

I took Second Skin for Argenta and have no regrets about it, and would probably do so again. I've hear there's some Power armor she could potentially get in the late game, but that's a pretty long road, and she doesn't need to spend a talent on it.

That said, there are some very good Light Armor suits in the game that are very comparable to Medium armor. But there's also a lot of competition in your group for that armor. So having her with second skin opens up more usable gear options for the team.

But that talent isn't really that big a priority either. Generally speaking Argenta is better protected getting into cover. and focusing on talents that make ranged bursts better. If Abelard is doing his job of tanking properly, her armor wont be an issue.

[BlackViper]

i was mostly curious cause i took any ♥♥♥♥ that sound good on my caracters.. so far i dont die much but i lose quite alot of hp in every match..

also.. i was mostly wondering cause i would love to have a warrior with that iconic 40k armor if the game has it, i think that would be the heavy armor? xD like a space marine. dont even know if the game has it.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

I took Second Skin for Argenta and have no regrets about it, and would probably do so again. I've hear there's some Power armor she could potentially get in the late game, but that's a pretty long road, and she doesn't need to spend a talent on it.

That said, there are some very good Light Armor suits in the game that are very comparable to Medium armor. But there's also a lot of competition in your group for that armor. So having her with second skin opens up more usable gear options for the team.

But that talent isn't really that big a priority either. Generally speaking Argenta is better protected getting into cover. and focusing on talents that make ranged bursts better. If Abelard is doing his job of tanking properly, her armor wont be an issue.

whats up with the talents "heavy armor, super armor?" terminator armor?".. is that like the big fatass cool loking armor that you see on these tall super soldiers?.. would love a set of those lol.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

i was mostly curious cause i took any ♥♥♥♥ that sound good on my caracters.. so far i dont die much but i lose quite alot of hp in every match.

If you aren't dying much then you are doing fine. Taking damage is to be expected.

Originally posted by BlackViper:

also.. i was mostly wondering cause i would love to have a warrior with that iconic 40k armor if the game has it, i think that would be the heavy armor? xD like a space marine. dont even know if the game has it.

I don't want to spoil too much, but none of the characters you can custom-make can ever wear Space Marine armor. That is something different than just heavy armor. It is a form of power armor, but even power armor proficiency alone isn't enough to wear it because you have to be the size of a space marine and have the necessary cybernetic augments in order to use it. The only way to get those features is to be a space marine, and you can't make one of those yourself.

[Zsrai]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

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Honestly? Don't bother replying to talemore. They write nonsense gibberish 90% of the time, and the other 10% I can't tell if it's still gibberish or just low key trolling.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by tempest.of.emptiness:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

i was mostly curious cause i took any ♥♥♥♥ that sound good on my caracters.. so far i dont die much but i lose quite alot of hp in every match.

If you aren't dying much then you are doing fine. Taking damage is to be expected.

Originally posted by BlackViper:

also.. i was mostly wondering cause i would love to have a warrior with that iconic 40k armor if the game has it, i think that would be the heavy armor? xD like a space marine. dont even know if the game has it.

I don't want to spoil too much, but none of the characters you can custom-make can ever wear Space Marine armor. That is something different than just heavy armor. It is a form of power armor, but even power armor proficiency alone isn't enough to wear it because you have to be the size of a space marine and have the necessary cybernetic augments in order to use it. The only way to get those features is to be a space marine, and you can't make one of those yourself.

in the trailer you see a caracter with a blue "kind of that armor" looking thing, and ive heard he is playable. <3