Why aren't there repercussion for Theodora's killer

[aramintai]

Aside from the reveal in chapter 3, which I'm not sure would have even happened if a certain companion wasn't taken to party at the start of said chapter, nothing ever comes out of it. No talking about it, no trial, no nothing. Is it a bug or a narrative oversight?

[Voodoo]

Daliena eredeti hozzászólása:

As for this.. I'd love to see a random Commissar just execute a Lord-General for no reason whatsoever and just shrug when asked why, and get away with it. Or try to lie - what, you think there would be no investigation unless it was the most immensely, blatantly obvious case of treason against the Imperium possible?

"Commissars are enabled to execute any officer they see fit, including regimental commanding officers, and can even execute lord generals and governors militant if they have sufficient evidence of incompetence or treachery."

I mean the reason will always be cowardice, sedition, heresy etc.

Comissar could feel like lord general was too cautious pulling troops back and accuse him of cowardice, despite the fact that in lord generals mind there would be good reasons to pull back.
Innocous remark about xenos commander tactical accumen might be seen as heresy or even cantina banter about rebelling if imperium doesnt ship more tanks could be seen as spreading seditious sentiment.

[I Denizen I]

Just give up, you will never ever convince this guy of anything, when you prove him wrong, he changes the goal posts, or ignores it and copy pastes some more wiki lore.

Honestly, its been tried and tried and tried, by many many people. He just will not listen.

[Daliena]

I Denizen I eredeti hozzászólása:

Just give up, you will never ever convince this guy of anything, when you prove him wrong, he changes the goal posts, or ignores it and copy pastes some more wiki lore.

Honestly, its been tried and tried and tried, by many many people. He just will not listen.

Are you referring to me? Because I assure you, I am capable of listening. I am aware of examples of Commissars executing even the highest-ranked of officers. But they most certainly can't do it just because - at least not without facing consequences of their own.

[Achilles]

She murdered someone carrying a warrant of trade. The game has some terrible writing which must be from GWs side of things.

[Daliena]

Achilles eredeti hozzászólása:

She murdered someone carrying a warrant of trade. The game has some terrible writing which must be from GWs side of things.

To which the punishment really ought to be coming from you, if anyone. But as long as the successor is like "meh", then who, exactly, holds the authority to punish her short of fetching the High Lords over or something?

Also bear in mind, the house of Chorda were basically barely-sanctioned pirates before Aspyce took over - by removing every other person in the line of succession. Who's gonna prosecute her for that one?

[Voodoo]

Daliena eredeti hozzászólása:

I Denizen I eredeti hozzászólása:

Just give up, you will never ever convince this guy of anything, when you prove him wrong, he changes the goal posts, or ignores it and copy pastes some more wiki lore.

Honestly, its been tried and tried and tried, by many many people. He just will not listen.

Are you referring to me? Because I assure you, I am capable of listening. I am aware of examples of Commissars executing even the highest-ranked of officers. But they most certainly can't do it just because - at least not without facing consequences of their own.

Hes referring to me, we had disagreement about power of inquisition, i posted stuff from wiki, rpg rulebooks, even 8th and 9th edition rulebook, heard that posting yoour evidence means you dont know about it and i heard theres no such thing as canon, everything is just up to interpreation.

[corisai]

Achilles eredeti hozzászólása:

She murdered someone carrying a warrant of trade. The game has some terrible writing which must be from GWs side of things.

If I remember correctly - you can instantly shot or banish her. It's up to you to decide. So everything is fine for me.

[Voodoo]

Achilles eredeti hozzászólása:

She murdered someone carrying a warrant of trade. The game has some terrible writing which must be from GWs side of things.

Mhm, do you know how many rogue traders were shot or otherwise assasinated, its actually quite impressive how little oversight was put on von valencius dynasty and how much theodora was allowed to get away with when only person whos surprised about heresy is abelard...
No throne agents, no administratum knocking on the door for tithes, lord inquisitor outright overlooking your heresy, all of that to support narrative.

[corisai]

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

when only person whos surprised about heresy is abelard...

Heresy is tend to corrupt people mind. I was actually surprised myself by Abelard being surprised here - I mean c'mon, your mistress get an unsanctioned psyker in her retinue, it's ALREADY a heresy...

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

lord inquisitor outright overlooking your heresy, all of that to support narrative.

As Heinrix is showing heavy reaction when you're telling him about Theodora being suspected in heresy on Kiava Gamma - von Valencious dynasty managed to hide it will. After all - being shot is quite expected cause of death for anyone as rich & influential as Rogue Trader :)

[Daliena]

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

Achilles eredeti hozzászólása:

She murdered someone carrying a warrant of trade. The game has some terrible writing which must be from GWs side of things.

Mhm, do you know how many rogue traders were shot or otherwise assasinated, its actually quite impressive how little oversight was put on von valencius dynasty and how much theodora was allowed to get away with when only person whos surprised about heresy is abelard...
No throne agents, no administratum knocking on the door for tithes, lord inquisitor outright overlooking your heresy, all of that to support narrative.

There's an Inquisition informant on your capital. Right in your court. And Theodora had it made abundantly clear to her that Calcazar could make her life annoying if she didn't act as a taxi service for Heinrix.

Nonetheless, Rogue Traders have extensive freedoms - as long as they stay out in the boonies of barely-civilized-at-best space, which the Koronus Expanse is. There is relatively little real Imperial presence there, humanity is largely represented by Rogue Traders, pirates, and even worse scum.

In fact unless that's changed, I think the last actual bastion of Imperial control would be Port Wander - on the far side of The Maw, which is an extremely temperamental Warp path on the best of days, nevermind after the Fall of Cadia and the entire galaxy getting a new orifice. Which is the whole reason for Footfall's sorry state - they relied on trade with the Calixis Sector, and with The Maw being effectively impossible to navigate for years..

Lord Inquisitor Calcazar meanwhile has two reasons to ease off on your leash. Firstly, a Rogue Trader's authority is almost limitless within the uncivilized reaches, including interacting with Xenos in ways that don't involve the business end of a boltgun, as long as it can be proven that they still act in the interests of the Imperium, and just casually purging a powerful and respected dynasty with an Emperor-signed warrant would likely cost him a bit of political capital unless he can prove that they definitely had it coming, instead of needing to wheedle deals out of his fellows in the Calixis Conclave to support him. Something they may be unwilling to do purely based on "Well screw that Calcazar guy". It would not be the first, or last, time that the Inquisition fights amongst itself and sabotages the Imperium's interests at large because one Ordo or Inquisitor didn't get what they wanted.

Secondly, The Koronus Expanse is in chaos. Figuratively and literally. It's simply pragmatic to overlook some.. Eccentricities in order to convince you that the two of you are on the same side, and bring your power base to his service in cleansing threats that are a million times worse than you are. If he tried to -order- you to do it, or execute you and have a crony of his take over, then he'd be lucky if you(r protectorate) didn't rebel against him, subtly or otherwise. But by attempting to convince you that he wants to be your friend, if only you'll be his friend in return, he's banking on getting your full cooperation instead.

[Zhein]

Daliena eredeti hozzászólása:

To which the punishment really ought to be coming from you, if anyone. But as long as the successor is like "meh", then who, exactly, holds the authority to punish her short of fetching the High Lords over or something?

I'm kinda lost on the debate, but that's pretty much it ? I mean, there are 4 other people there, potentially including an Eldar, a Dark Eldar, and a Space Marine that has no clue about who was theodora and would probably be happy that the cultist died.

Who's going to cry for Theodora anyway ? Idira ? Maybe if she's here, she could try to "avenge" her heretic patron, but she's not going to call on the cops seing she's an illegal psyker herself.
Abelard is shocked, but he's also shocked that Theodora was an heretic, so we're sure he won't do anything about it.

The rest of the crew is not invested in Theodora's death, and it's up to the actual Rogue Trader to do anything about it. If you don't, why would a Dark Eldar care ?

And worst of all. You've been claiming all game long that it was Kunrad the Chaos cultist. Who whould believe that it was not a chaos cultist but a sororitas ?

[Daliena]

Zhein eredeti hozzászólása:

Daliena eredeti hozzászólása:

To which the punishment really ought to be coming from you, if anyone. But as long as the successor is like "meh", then who, exactly, holds the authority to punish her short of fetching the High Lords over or something?

I'm kinda lost on the debate, but that's pretty much it ? I mean, there are 4 other people there, potentially including an Eldar, a Dark Eldar, and a Space Marine that has no clue about who was theodora and would probably be happy that the cultist died.

Who's going to cry for Theodora anyway ? Idira ? Maybe if she's here, she could try to "avenge" her heretic patron, but she's not going to call on the cops seing she's an illegal psyker herself.
Abelard is shocked, but he's also shocked that Theodora was an heretic, so we're sure he won't do anything about it.

The rest of the crew is not invested in Theodora's death, and it's up to the actual Rogue Trader to do anything about it. If you don't, why would a Dark Eldar care ?

And worst of all. You've been claiming all game long that it was Kunrad the Chaos cultist. Who whould believe that it was not a chaos cultist but a sororitas ?

In my defense, I have not been claiming it was Kunrad - in fact I largely went with the "Nah, Kunrad wanted Theodora to suffer, he wouldn't have given her a quick death if he had her way" angle.

Buuut anyway, that is my point, yes. There's pretty much no-one around who has the authority to punish Theodora's killer for the deed.. Except you. So unless you want to wring her neck yourself, it's entirely plausible that she'd more or less get away with it.

[Voodoo]

corisai eredeti hozzászólása:

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

when only person whos surprised about heresy is abelard...

Heresy is tend to corrupt people mind. I was actually surprised myself by Abelard being surprised here - I mean c'mon, your mistress get an unsanctioned psyker in her retinue, it's ALREADY a heresy...

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

lord inquisitor outright overlooking your heresy, all of that to support narrative.

As Heinrix is showing heavy reaction when you're telling him about Theodora being suspected in heresy on Kiava Gamma - von Valencious dynasty managed to hide it will. After all - being shot is quite expected cause of death for anyone as rich & influential as Rogue Trader :)

I wouldnt say abelard is corrupted, just naive about greatness of theodora, its clear he admired her personally while overlooking every sign of something going bad.

As for heinrix, i dont remember that dialogue, you got it? cause i get a feeling he was surprised about extent of corruption on kiava gamma rather than there being any corruption in dynasty.

[Voodoo]

Daliena eredeti hozzászólása:

In my defense, I have not been claiming it was Kunrad - in fact I largely went with the "Nah, Kunrad wanted Theodora to suffer, he wouldn't have given her a quick death if he had her way" angle.

Buuut anyway, that is my point, yes. There's pretty much no-one around who has the authority to punish Theodora's killer for the deed.. Except you. So unless you want to wring her neck yourself, it's entirely plausible that she'd more or less get away with it.

Ultimately yes.

One more thing to consider, sisters are brainwashed, no sugarcoating it, they believe fully in the emperor and despise the heretic, even normal imperial citizens are so sure that if someone is worthy of emperors blessings its the sisters of battle, and by warp mechanics thats why they are able to manifest their miracles.

If youre loyal to imperium you should side with sister, if you think otherwise your loyalty would be questionable.

[corisai]

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

As for heinrix, i dont remember that dialogue, you got it? cause i get a feeling he was surprised about extent of corruption on kiava gamma rather than there being any corruption in dynasty.

You can share some information with him after conversation with Uralon via warp-sorcery at end of Kiava Gamma. One of option is admit Theodora being suspected in heresy (or something like that).

Voodoo eredeti hozzászólása:

One more thing to consider, sisters are brainwashed

Fanatical. Their faith allow them to make small miracles so it isn't simply "brainwashing".