Did someone explain to Owlcat what Aeldari are?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Okay, so, it really feels like they looked at a few memes and then decided "Good enough, we got the jist". Yrliet is by FAR the worst written Aeldari I have ever witnessed in any of the games, books or animation. The other Asuryani aren't much better, but she just snipes the cherry off the cake.

Aeldari are supposed to be insanely persuasive. As in - to the point where every character warns you not to trust their honeyed words. Because even the most battle-hardened Banshee is able to play the role of a needy, horny space-elf that "was ostracized for dreaming of having a hunk of raw, human power taking care of... all of her needs [blushes and turns away full of shame], if only the Rogue Trade didn't see her as an ugly, abominable Xenos [looks back with big deer eyes full of hope]"

They have literally spent millions of years perfecting the craft of diplomacy, persuasion and seduction. Yes, she would think the same thing Yrliet does, but nobody would see through her facade.

Yrliet? "Dumb Mon'keigh, why Mon'keigh dumb? Omg, can Mon'keigh do anything right? Liek, omg, Mon'keigh, stop letting your feelings control you, Mon'keigh so bad at everything, omg" - B!tch, you're supposed to be an infiltrator and you need my help, but every word coming out of your mouth makes me want to jettison you and use your spirit stone as an ornamental butt plug, pipe the ♥♥♥♥ down.

Not only that - she has no grace or elegance in her behaviour. It's rash, emotional and direct. No subterfuge (aside from the hamfisting after Chapter 2), no double-meanings, no nothing. It's a more ♥♥♥♥♥ Sororitas that has 0 respect and constantly insults everything and everyone.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[Who trains thy hands for war?]

Nonsense OP, they are never portrayed that way in 40k books and the Imperium would have fallen to their guile and wiles if they were that way

Furthermore, have you considered how difficult it would be to write a character to be 'persuasive'

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Doc:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

It is a fan theory taht the Eldar and the Humans have similar ape ancestry from Earth, the Old Ones just found the hominids with the biggest psychic potential in the species, and uplifted them, to create their warp-using super soldiers for the War in Heaven.

they did some really weird ♥♥♥♥ when they uplifted the eldar then, since iirc per Xenobiology their poop is crystalline

They are still magical, so warp mutations, like crystalline poop, make sense.
Note also that Farseers turn to crystal when they die, due to being wholly infused in warp energies.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by I'm A Distraction!:

Originally posted by sirfuzzzy:

I havent paid much attention to 40k lore since 2nd edition and most recently Dawn of War 2. Since when are the Eldar considered diplomatic or charismatic? Since when is ANY SPECIES diplomatic and charismatic? They all hate each other. That was the whole point of the setting. The mecha fish people came along and were the only "good guys" I suppose but I've never heard a single thing anywhere about charismatic, diplomatic space elves. What changed in the lore?

Tau are diplomatic, but they want to enslave everyone else into their empire. It's golden chains, but slavery nonetheless (and they're coming around to the idea that humans are too prone to warp corruption to keep alive).

No, the Tau just fear that the Tau'va will prefer Humans, because Humans actually have a soul and have created teh Tau'va in the Warp.
This would mean the Ethereal caste would quickly lose control of the empire, which they just cannot abide, because the reality of the matter is that the Ethereals are greedy imperialists, that do not even know what they are getting into.

[REhorror]

Well, I do let the stupid knife-ear into my party so maybe her tsundere tactics work.

You know, counter-psychology, hard to get and all.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by Who trains thy hands for war?:

Furthermore, have you considered how difficult it would be to write a character to be 'persuasive'

Yeah, gee, wouldn't want writers to have to work, now would we. It's not their job to write compelling characters after all.

[KyuuMann]

khaine will smite you op

[Marcos_DS]

She is a an atypical Eldar, but as an outcast to her own pepople she was written as an outlier from the start. Makes sense for her to be shareing only some, but not all the typical traits with the standard Aeldari.

[KimjonIl]

Yrliet is tsundere on steroids.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Trapmaker:

Im not saying it cant happen, What i'm saying is i've had people on the darktide forums tell me ogryns would win most matchups against astartes because of one instance in the word bearer series where an ogryn piledrives a terminator and because they have better stats on tabletop. What i'm saying it usually doesn't happen.

GW written multiple times that their games (mostly table-top WH) are GAMES at first, so they're forced to keep some balance. That mean unit stats from games are not represent their real combat power - for that we should look mostly on lore from books & story parts of codexes.

For example in books Assassin was able to win hand-to-hand with a single SM. But I highly doubt ordinary Ogryn would be capable to do it.

[i_kill_pikachus]

The very fact that the OP says "Aeldari" tells me everything I need to know. "Eldar" or GTFO.

[Mhasi]

This dude mad that Yrliet doesn't act like an anime girl

[Butcher]

Originally posted by Mhasi:

This dude mad that Yrliet doesn't act like an anime girl

Actually she does in fact act like a generic anime girl. They even invented special term for this character archetype, so common and generic it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere

[Mhasi]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Mhasi:

This dude mad that Yrliet doesn't act like an anime girl

Actually she does in fact act like a generic anime girl. They even invented special term for this character archetype, so common and generic it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere

Can't say I know how she acts later, seeing as I immediately ventilated her because she turned on me for executing those eldar dudes doing slannesh stuff

[zastcat]

eldar are considered manipulative because they've generally got farseers looking ahead to help nudge things the way they want and they generally keep their attempts at manipulation to people who can be easily swayed

9 times out of 10 the manipulation is just "look we'll totally help you with this threat to both of us, promise, it needs to die anyway" then backing out and leaving as soon as they have their actual goal so you have to kill the big threat alone

they aren't super persuasive, they aren't "seductive" and if you expected 1 to try being seductive toward a human they'd probably shoot whoever suggested it for the insult, they're basically just sociopaths who see everything that isn't another eldar as an expendable pawn to be used with prejudice in ensuring their own people are safe

most of the time they don't even need that, they just leave some breadcrumbs to draw their enemies toward each other in the hope both get wiped out, or they sit back and wait until somebody has exhausted themselves getting close to what the eldar want and then show up to finish them off and grab it

if anything yrliet is weird by craftworlder standards for putting so much faith in the rogue trader so quickly, there have been some fruitful alliances where eldar depended on others but those generally don't happen until every other option has been ripped away, and even then it's unusual without the eldar having the snot beaten out of them so much that they don't have the numbers and weapons left to put up a fight

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by Mhasi:

This dude mad that Yrliet doesn't act like an anime girl

She literally does tho, she's constantly throwing fits and acts like the tsundere archetype.