Did someone explain to Owlcat what Aeldari are?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Okay, so, it really feels like they looked at a few memes and then decided "Good enough, we got the jist". Yrliet is by FAR the worst written Aeldari I have ever witnessed in any of the games, books or animation. The other Asuryani aren't much better, but she just snipes the cherry off the cake.

Aeldari are supposed to be insanely persuasive. As in - to the point where every character warns you not to trust their honeyed words. Because even the most battle-hardened Banshee is able to play the role of a needy, horny space-elf that "was ostracized for dreaming of having a hunk of raw, human power taking care of... all of her needs [blushes and turns away full of shame], if only the Rogue Trade didn't see her as an ugly, abominable Xenos [looks back with big deer eyes full of hope]"

They have literally spent millions of years perfecting the craft of diplomacy, persuasion and seduction. Yes, she would think the same thing Yrliet does, but nobody would see through her facade.

Yrliet? "Dumb Mon'keigh, why Mon'keigh dumb? Omg, can Mon'keigh do anything right? Liek, omg, Mon'keigh, stop letting your feelings control you, Mon'keigh so bad at everything, omg" - B!tch, you're supposed to be an infiltrator and you need my help, but every word coming out of your mouth makes me want to jettison you and use your spirit stone as an ornamental butt plug, pipe the ♥♥♥♥ down.

Not only that - she has no grace or elegance in her behaviour. It's rash, emotional and direct. No subterfuge (aside from the hamfisting after Chapter 2), no double-meanings, no nothing. It's a more ♥♥♥♥♥ Sororitas that has 0 respect and constantly insults everything and everyone.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

[Antearz]

You do Realize that Eldar are Individuals and dont Necessarily Conform to the Standard right ?

Not to mention. Who Says she Cant do that. She might just Choose not to.

[treahnurb]

Maybe there's a reason she's an Outcast, you know.

[jonoliveira12]

Aeldari are not supposed to be "insanely persuasive", they are just arrogant.
Owlcat characterized the Eldar just like they actually are in 40k, arrogant pricks that know better than you.

Eldar, even the more monastic Craftworlder variant, do OPENLY look down and insult humans, as they see humans as wholly inferior creatures, that they cannot ultimately stop from replacing them on the galactic stage.

You are confusing the 40K Eldar with Tolkien's Eldar. Even the Warhammeer Fantasy Elves are just modelled after a super suprmacist version of the British Empire, and they absolutely resent that they are in a fall, while still ahving an unsurmountable and undismissable sense of smug superiority.
40K Eldar take that to an even greater extreme.

[Neoz]

1. Farseers are the ones who, in general, are persuasive. Not "aeldari" If anything one of the things they got wrong is about the paths. Aeldari never stay on a single path, ones that do general become Exarchs.

2. Aeldari are, surprisingly, a lot like humans. While they claim superiority, which, on average is founded due to how oppressed humans are, is hilarious. That's one of the things in 40k. Eldar and humans honestly are not all that different.

3. Aeldari struggle with emotions, as they do have stronger emotions than humans, to an extent. They did create a chaos god after all.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by Antearz:

You do Realize that Eldar are Individuals and dont Necessarily Conform to the Standard right ?

Not to mention. Who Says she Cant do that. She might just Choose not to.

Because that would make her extremely stupid. She has a goal, a very clearly defined one. It makes no sense for her to be 24/7 insulting and abrasive. Sure, you can do mental gymnastics and play 4D-chess with yourself, saying she is actually pretending to be like that, but nothing in the writing hints at that in the slightest.

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Aeldari are not supposed to be "insanely persuasive", they are just arrogant.
Owlcat characterized the Eldar just like they actually are in 40k, arrogant pricks that know better than you.

Eldar, even the more monastic Craftworlder variant, do OPENLY look down and insult humans, as they see humans as wholly inferior creatures, that they cannot ultimately stop from replacing them on the galactic stage.

You are confusing the 40K Eldar with Tolkien's Eldar. Even the Warhammeer Fantasy Elves are just modelled after a super suprmacist version of the British Empire, and they absolutely resent that they are in a fall, while still ahving an unsurmountable and undismissable sense of smug superiority.
40K Eldar take that to an even greater extreme.

Right. That is why in every media the first thing that the advisor tells the protagonist is "Don't believe their sweet lies, they will backstab you"

Now, to be fair, the second part was still true, but the first one was missing. And no, I'm not confusing them with anything. Whether it's Battlefleet Gothic Armada or Dawn Of War or the books, Aeldari are only insulting and ♥♥♥♥♥ when they feel like they can afford to be. Yrliet clearly can't.

Yes, they see everyone as beneath them, but they won't show that. Just like british aristocracy would not show that when dealing with "savages" and trying to get good deals from them. That's the whole damn point.

Originally posted by rorek55:

3. Aeldari struggle with emotions, as they do have stronger emotions than humans, to an extent. They did create a chaos god after all.

Which is why they learn to control said emotions, at least to the silly 'ol lore that GamesWorkshop so diligently ♥♥♥♥♥ on now and then. About a third of Yrliet's insults is about how Mon'keighs can't control their urges and emotions, while having hysterical outbursts every 5 minutes herself.

[holy-death]

Reminds me of Kerillian from Vermintide series.

Originally posted by Antearz:

You do Realize that Eldar are Individuals and dont Necessarily Conform to the Standard right ?

Not to mention. Who Says she Cant do that. She might just Choose not to.

The problem is, it doesn't help the player to decide to hang out with her. At least she should be manipulative enough to make the Rogue Trader do what she aims him to do.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by rorek55:

1. Farseers are the ones who, in general, are persuasive. Not "aeldari" If anything one of the things they got wrong is about the paths. Aeldari never stay on a single path, ones that do general become Exarchs.

2. Aeldari are, surprisingly, a lot like humans. While they claim superiority, which, on average is founded due to how oppressed humans are, is hilarious. That's one of the things in 40k. Eldar and humans honestly are not all that different.

3. Aeldari struggle with emotions, as they do have stronger emotions than humans, to an extent. They did create a chaos god after all.

It is a fan theory taht the Eldar and the Humans have similar ape ancestry from Earth, the Old Ones just found the hominids with the biggest psychic potential in the species, and uplifted them, to create their warp-using super soldiers for the War in Heaven.

[treahnurb]

But she does try to be on the RT's good side. After her betrayal, she's genuinly sorry. In Chapter 3, she steps in front of you and humiliates herself in front of you by admitting her mistakes which is A LOT coming from someone like her. She even mentions later how she doesn't give a flying damn about anyone else but you. I think the main problem is, that she still has "I am not your xenos pet, mon-keigh" every second line, even after she came to like/trust you.

Before all of that, what binds you to her is the promise you gave her, to search for her race and yes, she reminds you of that. You can decide to be a honorable RT and just keep your promise or you can tell Heinrix to send her over to the Inquisition, that is totally up to you.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

But she does try to be on the RT's good side. After her betrayal, she's genuinly sorry. In Chapter 3, she steps in front of you and humiliates herself in front of you by admitting her mistakes which is A LOT coming from someone like her. She even mentions later how she doesn't give a flying damn about anyone else but you. I think the main problem is, that she still has "I am not your xenos pet, mon-keigh" every second line, even after she came to like/trust you.

Before all of that, what binds you to her is the promise you gave her, to search for her race and yes, she reminds you of that. You can decide to be a honorable RT and just keep your promise or you can tell Heinrix to send her over to the Inquisition, that is totally up to you.

First of all - yeah, all the barks remain the same. Second of all - my point isn't her being annoyed at being at the mercy of a Mon'keigh, it's that she is showing it. She isn't shrewd or mysterious or cloak & dagger - she is the most open book out of the entire damn retinue. Abelard is more intriguing than that.

Originally posted by Sel Und Irae:

Oh look, The "I read one book so i'm a 40k expert"

Kneel before his power mortals.

Go ahead and enlighten us with your deep wisdom about how there are Aeldari that have the verbal acumen of a drunk janitor with a head injury. Yrliet literally can't shut her trap for 5 seconds if there is an opportunity to insult the person her entire journey depends on.

[treahnurb]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

It is a fan theory taht the Eldar and the Humans have similar ape ancestry from Earth, the Old Ones just found the hominids with the biggest psychic potential in the species, and uplifted them, to create their warp-using super soldiers for the War in Heaven.

I mean, it would make sense that the same way Orkz degenerated from Krorks, Humans could be a degenerate Aeldari who then evolved again into being somewhat presentable.

Which is another thing - Aeldari only use "Mon'keigh" when trying to insult. They know what it means in Low Gothic and use "Human" or an euphemism when being diplomatic. Yrliet literally just can't stop insulting us.

Yeah that's an oversight tbh. That she constantly uses mon-keigh. I mean even Marazahai stops doing that once you recruit him. He says it once and then corrects himself to Rogue Trader and that's it. (I mean he occassionally ofc still uses against inferior people like Heinrix.)

On the other hand, your whole crew won't stop calling her "pet xenos" so maybe that's her way to get back at them?

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

On the other hand, your whole crew won't stop calling her "pet xenos" so maybe that's her way to get back at them?

But... that's the thing - she is supposed to have more self-control than anyone there. Not just that - she knows she has more time. That's what makes Aeldari schemes so dangerous - they will be your bestest friend for 50 years, then do their thing and let you hanging because you are just a Mon'keigh. She is the exact OPPOSITE of that.

[jonoliveira12]

That would not make Humans degenerated Eldar, like Orks are degenerated Krorks.

It would make Humans and Eladr both a hominid evolutionary branch. It would also explain why Humans took so long to become latent psychic, as the genetics for it were culled from the wider population, by Old One harvesting of the specimens with the more developed trait.

Humans are definitely not Eldar, however, like Gorillas are not Humans, even though we have a common ancestor.

[melkathi]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

Yeah that's an oversight tbh. That she constantly uses mon-keigh.(I mean he occassionally ofc still uses against inferior people like Heinrix.)

I'd also refer to Heinrix as mon-keigh, given the choice, to be honest...

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by melkathi:

Originally posted by treahnurb:

Yeah that's an oversight tbh. That she constantly uses mon-keigh.(I mean he occassionally ofc still uses against inferior people like Heinrix.)

I'd also refer to Heinrix as mon-keigh, given the choice, to be honest...

Disgusting!
No respect for a honourable man of the cloth!

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

Originally posted by melkathi:

Originally posted by treahnurb:

Yeah that's an oversight tbh. That she constantly uses mon-keigh.(I mean he occassionally ofc still uses against inferior people like Heinrix.)

I'd also refer to Heinrix as mon-keigh, given the choice, to be honest...

Yes, and given the choice, Heinrix would put a bolter round in her head, which is why she would usually refrain from aggrovating someone, who wants to kill her as is, further. Especially when she knows that Inquisitors have a lot of influence on other Mon'keighs and therefore he might just execute her.