Is heretic not properly playable?

[kit]

i made an heretic trader, i took AAAALL the heretic choices (right in front of my dear lover, the inquisitor who don't mind sleeping with me next to an altar to the chaos gods) i could get even the dumb one to raid foulstone instead of making it your settlement.

Yet after unleashing the warp into Commorragh and going back home, i was missing like 70 points from being a Fanatic and i couldn't use some dialogue options, big sad....

Did i missed something big?

Btw whats the point of telling the first pain engine we meet in a voidship to go to my ship? appart from having my ship on fire all the time

[Entaris]

Originally posted by kit:

Originally posted by I'm A Distraction!:

Honestly, I feel like Heretic alignment should function more like Corruption from the TTRPG, and less like the other two dogmas. It should be something you can get from choices, yes, but you should also get it from brazen exposure to Chaos without protection.

E.g., on Kieva Prime, if you look at any of the screens blasting warp scrapcode, it should trigger a Willpower check, and if you fail you should gain points of Heretical. If you summon a daemon from psyker powers, it should give you a little bit of Heretical. Lean into the fact that a lot of Iconoclast options can easy lead into picking up some Heretic/Corruption along the way, too (such as choosing to wear the chaos cultists uniforms in Chapter 1).

Yeah after all the fuss that wearing heretic clothes could be a danger, i was surprised that at the end of the day it doesn't do anything, i don't agree with the willpower check tho on looking at heretic stuff in Kieva Prime for exemple, because i have a high willpower even tho i'm heretic, i think it should be automatic because you are warned before hand not to do it, and after that even the members of the holy ordos most often end up becoming corrupted because of their actions

Some actions should just give you an automatic points if you are warned before hand, it would make the decisions more impactfull

There's a lot of that in this game, I've noticed.

Big noise about EVENT or CHOICE, and then there's zero follow-on action.

Anybody run out of time on the Reactor fight?

Nothing happens. You get a "game over" screen after a loading screen, as though something was supposed to be there (a cutscene of the reactor blowing up maybe?)

Same with the heretic clothes.

Same with saving the Reactor.

They make a big fuss about things in the text and then...nothing.

Did they publish the wrong version file, maybe?

[kit]

Originally posted by Entaris:

There's a lot of that in this game, I've noticed.

Big noise about EVENT or CHOICE, and then there's zero follow-on action.

Anybody run out of time on the Reactor fight?

Nothing happens. You get a "game over" screen after a loading screen, as though something was supposed to be there (a cutscene of the reactor blowing up maybe?)

Same with the heretic clothes.

Same with saving the Reactor.

They make a big fuss about things in the text and then...nothing.

Did they publish the wrong version file, maybe?

I Bought the game because it was recommended to me, i'm a fan of the universe but i don't buy a lot of them because most often, they look great but the gameplay and content is poor.

They built quite a lot of content, maps, combats, space combats and lore, but they clearly built too much for what they could then use as gameplay and story.

The more i advanced into the game the more it became broken, not receiving enough points as heretic is a very silly mistake that rendered my whole game useless because i can't choose heretic options and therefore i know i won't be able to finish the game how i want to, some secondary dialogue choices that breaks a conversation/game...

The game is clearly not finished, even if those little bugs and mistakes are minors, they can have huge repercussions later on. I hope they will work on that before throwing their addons.

Me i think i'll put the game on the side until some of those little bugs are fixed

[Atomsk]

Originally posted by BeelzeBob:

A proper heretic playthrough should completely change the game on every level. The way Owlcat implemented it is pretty silly to be honest.

Agreed, I found this quite disappointing. Going the heretic route should drastically change the story and gameplay, you should be required to kill all of your companions but in return you get a Chaos Librarian and your choice of a Berserker, Noise Marine, Plague Marine or Rubric Marine, and maybe the associated demon so instead of 6 companions you get narrowed down to 2-3 very powerful companions instead.

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by talemore:

The herectic are pretty much the Ottomans and the dogmatic are european landlords demanding too high taxes. It was why the Ottoman Empire could expand. They had better taxes. If we going from the book it was the dogmatic who created the downfall of mankind and then blamed it on the herectics for making them attacking them for not following the rules. The rest saw an opportunity to kick on the fallen in the aftermath.

It's not specific why or how the first herectic was created. Only that something in the reptile brain backfired in jealousy on the lawless had to be defeated in retaliation on the masters they couldn't reach.

In the end it is a 1984 fascist world where the war has no other reason to exist than to create unity. To ensure the party can get away with the war they created.

Call it herectic, it is only herectic if you are dogmatic.
The Iconoclast see it as people. The other see it as the same side of one coin.

What does it mean to be herectic? It means to not follow any master. It means to just do your own thing and flee those who want to tell other what to do. Dogmatic demand loyalty. It is after all those who tell others what is wrong and right is just two dictators and neither is any different from the other because they are just sections of the same ideology.

West think that Chinese people are poor.

Chinese people think that the west is poor.

In north Korea they say the world is evil, outside north Korea they say they are evil.

In 1970's humans came from Africa

In 2000's humans came from China

In the future humans came from space.


Propaganda goes into one ear and out in the other and it is the same machine who created them.

The meaning of herectics is to exist so that war never ends.

What are you smoking mate, you clearly know nothing of 40k lore and fail to realize that Owlcat's portrayal of the 3 divides poorly captures even the most tropey elements of 40k let alone even comes close to approaching them with nuance.

[Hanok]

Originally posted by kit:

Originally posted by Entaris:

There's a lot of that in this game, I've noticed.

Big noise about EVENT or CHOICE, and then there's zero follow-on action.

Anybody run out of time on the Reactor fight?

Nothing happens. You get a "game over" screen after a loading screen, as though something was supposed to be there (a cutscene of the reactor blowing up maybe?)

Same with the heretic clothes.

Same with saving the Reactor.

They make a big fuss about things in the text and then...nothing.

Did they publish the wrong version file, maybe?

I Bought the game because it was recommended to me, i'm a fan of the universe but i don't buy a lot of them because most often, they look great but the gameplay and content is poor.

They built quite a lot of content, maps, combats, space combats and lore, but they clearly built too much for what they could then use as gameplay and story.

The more i advanced into the game the more it became broken, not receiving enough points as heretic is a very silly mistake that rendered my whole game useless because i can't choose heretic options and therefore i know i won't be able to finish the game how i want to, some secondary dialogue choices that breaks a conversation/game...

The game is clearly not finished, even if those little bugs and mistakes are minors, they can have huge repercussions later on. I hope they will work on that before throwing their addons.

Me i think i'll put the game on the side until some of those little bugs are fixed

%100 This^^^

The game is absolutely not finished. Shame on you Owlcat Games.

[kit]

Originally posted by Hanok:

%100 This^^^

The game is absolutely not finished. Shame on you Owlcat Games.

i'm not going to shame them, the game is great and i had a lot of fun, the problem is that there are a lot of little issues that can break your game, the requirements for leveling your status as heretic for exemple is just a set of numbers, i'm sure in 5mn they could fix it, a few consequences of our actions are missing, and sometimes even a few hints that somethings could happen but then no.

It's not really 1.0 worthy tho for sure. but still a great game, kinda like 2077 i guess, out too soon.

I'm still glad i bought it tho, it's been a long time since i had fun on a warhammer game

[mayrc]

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

1. Chaos in WH40K is literal evil, not "less taxation ancap utopia". They will flay you alive and sacrifice to the Chaos gods. They will breed humans only to kill children in front of mothers for more psychic food for the void entities. Imperium exterminates Chaos planets like cutting off diseased limbs, otherwise the entire organism will perish in torturous pain.

Ehh sorry but Chaos is NOT EVIL. Not even the slightest bit. Chaos is chaotic but NEVER Evil. Chaos Gods arent evil either. They are reflections of morality.

1. Khone is god of Bloodshed, violence, War........ But ALSO, Strength, Honor, and he hates fighting the weak.

2. Tzeentch is the god of trickery, Magic, deception and change...... but not just evil..... he helps the enslaved that pray for a change of life as much as he will bring peace if there has been WAR for too long. Change is something that is NEITHER good or evil.... its Change.


3. Nurgle is almost kind..... he cares for his children. His gifts are meant to much beeings suffer so they can grow in strengt through suffering. He is the god of decay but also of new life. People pray to him to prevent dying and also thank him for a new born life. He is the god of natural decay and new born life. He is NOT evil.

4. Slaneesh is the god of excess and pleasure. He is god of pain and depravity as much as he is god of Love, wealth and joy.


Please stop talking nonsense that chaos is evil. Each chaosgod also resembles very positiv aspect as much as the Emperor reflects many negativs.

The beauty of Warhammer is that there IS not good or evil. Its merely order vs chaos if you will so.

[echoes222]

lorewise, the very first moment your character would openly do something heretical, Argenta would blow your head off. Or Abelard. Or Yriliet. Or Heinrix. Not just leave at act 4, just kill you. Your crew would join them in burning down your corpse. Owlcat take on heresy was not only silly, it was downright immersion breaking.

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by echoes222:

lorewise, the very first moment your character would openly do something heretical, Argenta would blow your head off. Or Abelard. Or Yriliet. Or Heinrix. Not just leave at act 4, just kill you. Your crew would join them in burning down your corpse. Owlcat take on heresy was not only silly, it was downright immersion breaking.

That isn't how corruption works. Technically, anyone can fall and might greater beings than any of those have already fallen. The chaos gods and their servants are posed directly as a mirror to the Imperium because they are.

Not even drukhari worship Slaneesh despite creating her and her being a god of the very thing they like. In fact, they hate her just as much.

[TreesAreTough]

Originally posted by echoes222:

lorewise, the very first moment your character would openly do something heretical, Argenta would blow your head off. Or Abelard. Or Yriliet. Or Heinrix. Not just leave at act 4, just kill you. Your crew would join them in burning down your corpse. Owlcat take on heresy was not only silly, it was downright immersion breaking.

Not sure I agree with the first part. That is your place in the galaxy as a rouge trader. You get to sit in a grey area and use things like psykers, xeno-tech, and many other things that would typically get someone strung up. How would they know that its not a moment of sanctioned hearsay?

[Kiru]

Originally posted by mayrc:

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

1. Chaos in WH40K is literal evil, not "less taxation ancap utopia". They will flay you alive and sacrifice to the Chaos gods. They will breed humans only to kill children in front of mothers for more psychic food for the void entities. Imperium exterminates Chaos planets like cutting off diseased limbs, otherwise the entire organism will perish in torturous pain.

Ehh sorry but Chaos is NOT EVIL. Not even the slightest bit. Chaos is chaotic but NEVER Evil. Chaos Gods arent evil either. They are reflections of morality.

1. Khone is god of Bloodshed, violence, War........ But ALSO, Strength, Honor, and he hates fighting the weak.

2. Tzeentch is the god of trickery, Magic, deception and change...... but not just evil..... he helps the enslaved that pray for a change of life as much as he will bring peace if there has been WAR for too long. Change is something that is NEITHER good or evil.... its Change.


3. Nurgle is almost kind..... he cares for his children. His gifts are meant to much beeings suffer so they can grow in strengt through suffering. He is the god of decay but also of new life. People pray to him to prevent dying and also thank him for a new born life. He is the god of natural decay and new born life. He is NOT evil.

4. Slaneesh is the god of excess and pleasure. He is god of pain and depravity as much as he is god of Love, wealth and joy.


Please stop talking nonsense that chaos is evil. Each chaosgod also resembles very positiv aspect as much as the Emperor reflects many negativs.

The beauty of Warhammer is that there IS not good or evil. Its merely order vs chaos if you will so.

A nicely written summary of the madness the warp seeds into the heads of chaos cultists.

There is indeed no good or evil in Warhammer. It has only different flavors of massacre, opression and fanatic murderous zeal in various degrees and shapes. Everyone is surrounded by soulless alien monsters and believes any atrocitiy justified that gives them advantage over the abominations. There are no exceptions, only the question who is unworthy of life and needs to be murdered by any means necessary shifts from one side to another.

The setting is written as the end times folks. Its not about who are the good and the bad guys, its about how everything went to hell in madness and massacre with nothing but the laughter of uncaring gods left behind. Indeed those very same gods. ;)

[Eleander]

Well Chaos is Evil cuz some dumb aliens decided lets make a Galactic spaning war and butcher each other for god knows how long and then another alien race decided that their kinks were too tame and wanted to go harder on them to the point they made a hole in reality.
Regarding the missing Cultist points there is a quest in A3 with gladiators but I think its unmarked and its Cultist only ( missed it on my playthrough ) And before ending Act 4 I was missing something round 49 points so you should have more choices to get it.
And that Daemon Engine is best and most op upgrade to your ship yeah it can make you burn but it can make enemy burn a lot more and Eldar ships are made of straw.

[Lucifer]

Yes. I recently finished the game on the heretic route. And at the beginning of act 4 I was missing ~50 points for Tire IV. As there are some choices that require this tire, I just add them with toybox.
So the points distribution still unoptimize (