it DOSENT FEEL LIKE WARHAMMER

[PatTheMad]

i cant point the finger on it, but its not warhammer 40 k for me

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by PatTheMad:

i cant point the finger on it, but its not Warhammer 40 k for me

You can always play Creative Assembly or Relic's version.

I hear that Total War: Warhammer III and Dawn of War III are the best video games ever made.

All good things come in threes.

Rogue Trader III. Game of the Year.

Don't laugh. Award shows were willing to give Larian a pass on their copy-paste mess.

[Echoside7]

It's very Warhammer 40k, it's just a part of 40k that's mostly only seen in lore and not really seen in the games. PnP Rogue Trader is about as niche as Starfinder/Exalted.

[Njall]

Originally posted by Ishan451:

Originally posted by Metanoia:

There, uh, was actually a table top game released called Rogue Trader. Same people who did Dark Heresy.

And it was a mere expansion to Dark Heresy. It contained Rules how you could convert Dark Heresy max level to Rogue Trader. IIRC Spacemarine allowed you to play Dark Heresy chars and Rogue Trader then brought all together as its final "powerlevel".

Nope, it was a separate game entirely. Dark Heresy was the first of the batch, released by Black Libraries. Then, Fantasy Flight took over and released Rogue Trader, Only War, Black Crusade and Death Watch, IIRC (not in that exact order, but RT was one of the first to be released, if memory serves) which all used a similar set of rules, but with small, incremental rules changes and were stand-alone games.
So much that Dark Heresy was, IIRC, the only game in the line to receive a 2nd edition which incorporated most of the rules added in Black Crusade and Only War.
Interestingly, while neither the first nor the second edition of the game featured Action Points ad a mechanic, the first beta draft for the 2nd edition of the game, which was later reworked entirely due to fan backlash, did.
It was in no way similar to what Owlcat did with RT (you had x AP that you could use to either attack, move or defend in any combination, which was probably fine for PCs but would've been a nightmare to manage for the GM), but it came to mind when I first saw what Owlcat did with RT ;)

[I Denizen I]

Yup the game that expanded max level DH characters was called Ascension.

And it turned you into mainstream uber powerful agents, like a Vindicare Assassin, Storm Trooper, Primaris Psyker, Magos or a Judge or a Death Cult Assassin.

Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Only War and Deathwatch were all similar starting points, not exact but close enough and well below Ascension level.

And yes DH 2nd edition was hot garbage, I remember having many many arguments with the other alpha and beta testers about moronic ideas, like making Medicae an Dex based skill, forget all the learning needed to be a real surgeon, lets just make it about how nimble your fingers are, absolute idiocy, and the fact it was just pretty much an amalgamation of OnlyWar/BlackCrusade reskinned as a new revenue stream generator.

[HuffingJenkem]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Yup the game that expanded max level DH characters was called Ascension.

And it turned you into mainstream uber powerful agents, like a Vindicare Assassin, Storm Trooper, Primaris Psyker, Magos or a Judge or a Death Cult Assassin.

Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Only War and Deathwatch were all similar starting points, not exact but close enough and well below Ascension level.

And yes DH 2nd edition was hot garbage, I remember having many many arguments with the other alpha and beta testers about moronic ideas, like making Medicae an Dex based skill, forget all the learning needed to be a real surgeon, lets just make it about how nimble your fingers are, absolute idiocy, and the fact it was just pretty much an amalgamation of OnlyWar/BlackCrusade reskinned as a new revenue stream generator.

FFG wrote the best 40K content and the worst 40K rules (apart from 1st and 2nd ed 40K)

[watcherzero]

Originally posted by Njall:

Originally posted by Ishan451:

And it was a mere expansion to Dark Heresy. It contained Rules how you could convert Dark Heresy max level to Rogue Trader. IIRC Spacemarine allowed you to play Dark Heresy chars and Rogue Trader then brought all together as its final "powerlevel".

Nope, it was a separate game entirely. Dark Heresy was the first of the batch, released by Black Libraries. Then, Fantasy Flight took over and released Rogue Trader, Only War, Black Crusade and Death Watch, IIRC (not in that exact order, but RT was one of the first to be released, if memory serves) which all used a similar set of rules, but with small, incremental rules changes and were stand-alone games.
So much that Dark Heresy was, IIRC, the only game in the line to receive a 2nd edition which incorporated most of the rules added in Black Crusade and Only War.
Interestingly, while neither the first nor the second edition of the game featured Action Points ad a mechanic, the first beta draft for the 2nd edition of the game, which was later reworked entirely due to fan backlash, did.
It was in no way similar to what Owlcat did with RT (you had x AP that you could use to either attack, move or defend in any combination, which was probably fine for PCs but would've been a nightmare to manage for the GM), but it came to mind when I first saw what Owlcat did with RT ;)

Warhammer 40k 1st edition released under the name Rogue Trader is the true Rogue Trader, thats where most of the fluff about rogue trading originates then 2nd edition onward it moved from being a skirmish game to an army game.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F54dp916fh5ry.jpg

[Njall]

Originally posted by watcherzero:

Originally posted by Njall:

Nope, it was a separate game entirely. Dark Heresy was the first of the batch, released by Black Libraries. Then, Fantasy Flight took over and released Rogue Trader, Only War, Black Crusade and Death Watch, IIRC (not in that exact order, but RT was one of the first to be released, if memory serves) which all used a similar set of rules, but with small, incremental rules changes and were stand-alone games.
So much that Dark Heresy was, IIRC, the only game in the line to receive a 2nd edition which incorporated most of the rules added in Black Crusade and Only War.
Interestingly, while neither the first nor the second edition of the game featured Action Points ad a mechanic, the first beta draft for the 2nd edition of the game, which was later reworked entirely due to fan backlash, did.
It was in no way similar to what Owlcat did with RT (you had x AP that you could use to either attack, move or defend in any combination, which was probably fine for PCs but would've been a nightmare to manage for the GM), but it came to mind when I first saw what Owlcat did with RT ;)

Warhammer 40k 1st edition released under the name Rogue Trader is the true Rogue Trader, thats where most of the fluff about rogue trading originates then 2nd edition onward it moved from being a skirmish game to an army game.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F54dp916fh5ry.jpg

Yeah, sure, I was just disputing the fact that the RT RPG was just an expansion to DH. The original RT was, of course, released way earlier than Dark Heresy, and wasn't an RPG.

[KyuuMann]

I see the fish have caught the bait

[[HN]]

Originally posted by PatTheMad:

i cant point the finger on it, but its not warhammer 40 k for me

Welp, then it means you probably don't really know what "warhammer 40 k" is, probably because you only have a very superficial experience of the setting based around "SPESS MURIN".

This game is the most "warhammer 40k" game I've played since Battlefleet Gothic 2 (which is one of the best game when it comes to introducing and showcasing most of 40k setting to the player) and Mechanicus (which does an exelent job at presenting the different facets of the Mechanicus).

[FidelSassoon]

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

It's not Rogue Trader. They've chucked out nearly all of FFG's gothic horror material in order to make something that's pretty generic GW 40K.

Everytime Final Fantasy Flight Games comes up in one of these threads.
Games Worshop anyone? SMH?

[addictedtotanks]

It's very W40K to me. I think perhaps you're feeling a bit odd because we're experiencing the universe from the point of view of a Rogue Trader, which isn't super common (but perfect for an RPG....funny that).

Most books where the lore comes from tends to focus on Space Marines, or the Guard, so you're dealing exclusively with war. Instead of politics, and nobles and aliens etc.

[WastingSanity]

It is, but isn't based on the core part of 40k that you are usually exposed to.

[Lur Nen Rue]

Originally posted by GM Morgan:

Originally posted by Lur Nen Rue:

just curious OP, are you TAU players?

Tau player here since 3rd ed. This game absolutely feels like 40k

you sure, you're not omega in disguise are you
i wont be tricked again

how long you take your turn?

[talemore]

Not enough warcraft for some.

The first mention of orcs were green men and as well became orcs who were aliens.

As such even in D&D and baldur's gate 3 green men are aliens and part of the ancient lizard elite.

Such way war create the need of simply telling what is good and evil.

Some want to be fanatic because it's easier to work for someone else and comply orders.

These green men were native and as such elves and orcs and aliens they all the same.

W40k is DUNE who took inspiration from a princess of mars.

War is created by men wanting what is not theirs.

[HuffingJenkem]

Originally posted by FidelSassoon:

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

It's not Rogue Trader. They've chucked out nearly all of FFG's gothic horror material in order to make something that's pretty generic GW 40K.

Everytime Final Fantasy Flight Games comes up in one of these threads.
Games Worshop anyone? SMH?

Because FFG had a very different take on 40K from anything GW's had since 2nd edition and the management buyout, and this is ostensibly a license of the FFG game, not the GW 40K tabletop.