Cassia's kind of a monster

[ChompyRiley]

Not in terms of combat or anything, though she's an absolute beast there. I meant generally. She's arrogant, demanding, rude, selfish, and so dense that light can't escape from her gravitational pull. She's got practically no control over her powers and shoves the blame for it onto others. Her obliviousness was cute at first, but I'm finding her increasingly frustrating. She's a danger to herself and my entire ship. Are there ANY other options for a navigator, or am I stuck with this ticking time bomb who might at some point become mildly frustrated or startled and cause half my crew to go insane and kill each other?

[phoenixds24]

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Its not 10,000 psykers per day. The astronomicon is loaded up with 10k psykers at a time and they are consumed over the period of several months.

Did they change that then, or at least add more depth to it? I'm old, and I seem to remember that "back in my day" (ok boomer) it was a steady 10,000 being shipped in on black ships every day.

You're both right. This is two different things. So, the Astronomican is powered by 10,000 psykers, who regularly burn out and are replaced, but not all in a single day. BUT, additional psykers are also sacrificed to the Emperor every day as well. More like 1000, not 10,000, but psykers are in fact sacrificed to the Emperor constantly.

[Solomon Kane]

1. She is done perfectly, considering who she is, the manner she was raised and educated and what status she has within the Empire.

2. Cassia has perfect control of HER Powers, but I stop here since spoiler.

[Dryden]

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she is, and my rt always reminded her of that

what is baffling to me why is this thing allowed on the bridge

Okay but for real? I don't really have an issue with navigators in general. Just Cassia. She's *insufferably* *condescendingly* *overpoweringly* a liability who only barely warrants the consideration I do give her because there is literally no other option.

Compared to how other factions of great privilege behave, she’s actually quite reasonable. And she doesn’t cause that many problems. Her use as a navigator more than makes up for the deaths of a few thousand nondescript people.

The Navis Nobility are one of the primary political parties in terms of traversing the stars. You don’t go around and anger them without good reason. Just like it would be immeasurably poor judgement to anger the priesthood of mars.

You either dive through the warp with their help, or hope that the warp lanes that they have declared are there haven’t changed. Imagine a blind person driving a car with no assistance or knowledge of the area. What do you think happens when they encounter something unexpected?

Perhaps Cassia is arrogant and other such stuff. What of it? Take a moment to contemplate what the future holds if all the navis nobility find.. other employment. Some other rogue trader would offer their help to your planets.

Now you’re a singular ship that can at best function as a glorified merchant.

There are few factions within the Imperium that you can piss off. For example, if the Inquisition were to take control of an entire army without the approval of the upper echelons, then the shipments from the Departmento Munitorum might not arrive and other such.. unfortunate happenstances.

The Imperium is based on very old customs, the projection of power, fear and respect. If you play your cards right, then Cassia and her house might just be both a current and future ally. Which is an invaluable resource for a rogue trader.

[gurugeorge]

I don't think her attitude is any different from people of her status, it's not like she's especially horrible.

The WH40k universe is all about shades of horrible :) Like, you think the space nazis are bad, wait till you see the rest of the universe :)

[ChompyRiley]

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Okay but for real? I don't really have an issue with navigators in general. Just Cassia. She's *insufferably* *condescendingly* *overpoweringly* a liability who only barely warrants the consideration I do give her because there is literally no other option.

Compared to how other factions of great privilege behave, she’s actually quite reasonable. And she doesn’t cause that many problems. Her use as a navigator more than makes up for the deaths of a few thousand nondescript people.

The Navis Nobility are one of the primary political parties in terms of traversing the stars. You don’t go around and anger them without good reason. Just like it would be immeasurably poor judgement to anger the priesthood of mars.

You either dive through the warp with their help, or hope that the warp lanes that they have declared are there haven’t changed. Imagine a blind person driving a car with no assistance or knowledge of the area. What do you think happens when they encounter something unexpected?

Perhaps Cassia is arrogant and other such stuff. What of it? Take a moment to contemplate what the future holds if all the navis nobility find.. other employment. Some other rogue trader would offer their help to your planets.

Now you’re a singular ship that can at best function as a glorified merchant.

There are few factions within the Imperium that you can piss off. For example, if the Inquisition were to take control of an entire army without the approval of the upper echelons, then the shipments from the Departmento Munitorum might not arrive and other such.. unfortunate happenstances.

The Imperium is based on very old customs, the projection of power, fear and respect. If you play your cards right, then Cassia and her house might just be both a current and future ally. Which is an invaluable resource for a rogue trader.

She's literally causing my officers and important people sans companions to go insane and mutilate themselves.

[[HN]]

No ♥♥♥♥.
The WHOLE POINT of her introduction is to insist VERY HARD on how monstruous she is.
Not evil mind you, just a sociopathic psychic monster that will unconsiously have people claw their eyes out around her and literally don't care.

She has been bioengeenered by Owlcat to be the avatar of "I can fix her", and the Emperor be my witness, I WILL FIX HER.

[Zagin]

well lore wise navigators are a needed evil , from what i under stand most captains lock them in rooms and have them under armed gaurds for execution at a moments notice , this 1 is so emotional i would have her hooked up to a computer living is stasis goo living in a dream state till i needed to issue a command never know when miss emos goona stub her toe and blam her servent and drive the crew insain becues she has daddy issues

[ChompyRiley]

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No ♥♥♥♥.
The WHOLE POINT of her introduction is to insist VERY HARD on how monstruous she is.
Not evil mind you, just a sociopathic psychic monster that will unconsiously have people claw their eyes out around her and literally don't care.

She has been bioengeenered by Owlcat to be the avatar of "I can fix her", and the Emperor be my witness, I WILL FIX HER.

You mean you're going to spay her, right? That kind of 'fix her'?

[Neonivek]

To understand the setting... Imagine if the ONLY possible way for humanity to survive is to become the Empire of Mankind.

Yeah their strict adherence to religious dogma sure is terrible... but it is also one of the only things not only propping them up but without it. You have beings that can literally decide to corrupt you because you like apple pie a little too much.

Navigators are both an exception but also an example. Navigators born without the ability to travel warp are killed off immediately and any history they existed gets scrubbed.

Their hatred of Xenos is also informed by the fact that... well... Every single faction in Warhammer is a galaxy wide threat (at minimum). Several of which can permanently corrupt a planet just by existing on it (Tyranids, Orks, Chaos, and Dark Eldar to name four).

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Honestly the game does an ok job at demonstrating this... with the Dogmatic route often demonstrating exactly why such dogma exists.

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Mind you as much of a "garbage setting" (as in, everything sucks within the setting, not that the setting itself is garbage) it is. There are some glimmers of hope, genuine kindness, and actual happiness but those are few and far between... Which kind of makes it more special.

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Honestly it is why I really respect this setting. It isn't too afraid to explore those unfortunate questions set forth from its own setting. Unlike modern writing where everything has to be a 1 for 1 recreation of the modern day or its politics (well just the Western side of it) where deviations only exist to moralise to the audience.

[Butcher]

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I think she is a very nice person because she is NOT abusing Atlas at slightest opportunity. Most of human beings will fall to temptation.

She’s a ♥♥♥♥♥ to basically everyone

Actually if you tell her that you should care for your subjects when she asks why you don't silence everyone, she gives her valet vocal chords. She listens after all.

[Daliena]

Cassia's attitude springs from her upbringing. She was basically isolated from interacting with anyone except the sociopaths of her House who consider cutting out the tongues of peons to be standard practice, and raised on a diet of "Even among us Special People, you are the specialiest!"

What, you're surprised she'd come out of it with a warped worldview? The thing is, she listens and tries to learn when exposed to the rest of the world and given new perspectives - if you have the patience to try and teach her.

She's not evil, what she is is desperately misguided by a ridiculously awful upbringing where she only ever really knew two kinds of people - ones who were rushing to spit-shine her shoes every time she so much as took a step and were sociopaths towards anyone 'below' them, and ones who wanted her dead for the sin of being born.

[Nox]

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Cassia's attitude springs from her upbringing. She was basically isolated from interacting with anyone except the sociopaths of her House who consider cutting out the tongues of peons to be standard practice, and raised on a diet of "Even among us Special People, you are the specialiest!"

What, you're surprised she'd come out of it with a warped worldview? The thing is, she listens and tries to learn when exposed to the rest of the world and given new perspectives - if you have the patience to try and teach her.

She's not evil, what she is is desperately misguided by a ridiculously awful upbringing where she only ever really knew two kinds of people - ones who were rushing to spit-shine her shoes every time she so much as took a step and were sociopaths towards anyone 'below' them, and ones who wanted her dead for the sin of being born.

She's not evil. No she just doesn't need red paint. And nobody cares.

[Warbird]

So far, I find that the only party member that seem to be mentally stable is Marazhai.

With that one, you know exactly what you are getting into.

[Daliena]

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She's not evil. No she just doesn't need red paint. And nobody cares.

Courtesy of drawing non-lethal quantities from Uve, her single most dedicated servant who's probably been around her for a good part of the pair's lives?

Weird, but until someone digs up some source on Uve actually not being content with being a source of red paint, I'm not declaring her to be a monster based purely on that.

[Polupostage]

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I can fix her.

Oh, you will be surprised with the endings ;)

Cassia's endings doesn't makes any sense because they didn't wanted for any single companion to have a happy ending with the RT because muh grimdark. Depending on your choices with her they are either married... Or in love.

About Uve i don't know if it's because of some iconoclast choices that she shows interest in, that later have an impact on her, but after a short while there is evidence she treats him well, like giving him a very expensive augment to gives him back his voice that was taken, as is custom for servants in House Orsellio