The boss fight on Quetza is the worst fight i've ever encountered in any game, ever

[addictedtotanks]

Spoilers obviously.






But when you get to the fight against Caligos at the end of the Quetza Temer fight, I mean, wow.

I have never, in any RPG, CRPG or similar turn based strategy/tactics game encountered such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terribly designed fight.
So if we ignore the fact for a second its bugged in such a way that if you go back to the ship before iniating the conversation with Caligos (I did because I wanted to get my better party members. Idira and the Eldar are my weaker companions, I only brought them along for story purposes) it bugs out his fight so combat doesn't initiate at the end of the conversation...

But its also just so, so full of cheats. If the fight is hard, you can't use stun grenades because his whole party has been cheat-buffed so hard, you can't beat a 260% success chance.
Cassia becomes useless because all of her navigator skills don't work since they've cheat-buffed their resistances so high it auto fails.
His party can use crazy amounts of AP in a round. I think they can do 8 ap? Not sure but it's crazy high.
They all have 800-1000 HP.
They have massive damage resistances.
Almost always hit in melee and range.
One of my main damage dealers has 2 stacks of fatigue going into the fight, which can't be removed because some idiot decided you can only remove that at the ship (and going to the ship is bugged, as mentioned).

What the hell is this fight?

[NekoLord]

Concerning fatigue: you knew the risks when you tried to open the bunker.
I agree that the whole level is bugged as hell and is unplayable in several ways.
But actual fight with caligos is rather easy, you get help from the eldar.
Even heretical bloodbath when you take both parties on is rather doable.

[addictedtotanks]

Originally posted by NekoLord:

Concerning fatigue: you knew the risks when you tried to open the bunker.
I agree that the whole level is bugged as hell and is unplayable in several ways.
But actual fight with caligos is rather easy, you get help from the eldar.
Even heretical bloodbath when you take both parties on is rather doable.

I actually supported and helped out the Eldar throughout the level, peaceful resolution, they never showed up, from what you've described.
He's able to basically kill at least one party member in the first round.

Perhaps I would not think it so strangely hard if I could bring my A team, but I can't as the fight bugs out.

Which is also why the fatigue is crap, Can't fix it with any consumable, cant fix it by returning to the ship....since that's bugged.

It's a bizarre fight as essentially every other fight in the entirety of the game has been reasonable.

[Polupostage]

You're not fighting him at the site of the confrontation with the Aeldari ?

[addictedtotanks]

Originally posted by Polupostage:

You're not fighting him at the site of the confrontation with the Aeldari ?

Nah, fighting him after you destroy the drukhari lab and he has been corrupted by Khorne (when you defeat his Militant he explodes into a bloodletter).

They patched the fight to fix the dialogue bug, so I went and grabbed my "A team" to fight him and it was much easier. Still, it feels like they did something to the fight after the bug fix, maybe make it easier.
Or not, I don't know

[Thamor]

If it's too hard, you can always respec characters. I have had no problems in any fights as I always have Grand Strategist which makes you get first turn always which makes all fights much more easier as you can plan things.

[dmccarney]

Originally posted by Thamor:

If it's too hard, you can always respec characters. I have had no problems in any fights as I always have Grand Strategist which makes you get first turn always which makes all fights much more easier as you can plan things.

I hadn't either, but this one stopped me in my tracks. Owlcat loves throwing in wildly challenging fights with massive difficulty spikes to test just how well you can play the game, and this was right on par.

I've got a Grand Strategist and multiple officers to spam extra turns, everybody's at L40, but they pretty much 1-shot a couple of characters right off the bat and all that goes out the window. I'm about 10 tries in and the best I've done is getting Caligos under 100 HP, with peripheral damage to his crew.

[Morgian]

I cannot remember Quetza Tema to be even mildly challenging. Tedious certainly, with all the loading screens in the jungle, challenging no.

On a side note: you can remove any and all afflictions with the right medkit.

[treahnurb]

Lol rolling the Persuasion and have not to fight at all.

[Mhorge]

I hate to break it to you, but this isn't even the most annoying fight, just wait till Act 4's surprise.

It sucks he is broken though, hopefully owlcat takes a look balance wise sooner rather than later because there are a lot of complaints about it.

[Moffin Bovin]

Originally posted by Morgian:

On a side note: you can remove any and all afflictions with the right medkit.

You can't remove fatigue.

[dmccarney]

Originally posted by Thamor:

If it's too hard, you can always respec characters. I have had no problems in any fights as I always have Grand Strategist which makes you get first turn always which makes all fights much more easier as you can plan things.

Following up, I have no idea what the major difference was, I didn't even really level up much, but I just re-tried after clearing out a bunch of side quests and I completely wiped the floor with them. Argenta was doing 300-400 per shot from the rear combat zone once I got her all buffed up. I was able to hit her twice in a row with Finest Hour and that was a wrap.

[addictedtotanks]

Originally posted by treahnurb:

Lol rolling the Persuasion and have not to fight at all.

You must have a different confrontation scenario, rolling and winning results in a fight.

[wei270]

or you can fight him and the elders at the same time. i wonder what happens after they murder you, they are not gonna be friends right?

[DaveDash]

Originally posted by dmccarney:

Originally posted by Thamor:

If it's too hard, you can always respec characters. I have had no problems in any fights as I always have Grand Strategist which makes you get first turn always which makes all fights much more easier as you can plan things.

I hadn't either, but this one stopped me in my tracks. Owlcat loves throwing in wildly challenging fights with massive difficulty spikes to test just how well you can play the game, and this was right on par.

I've got a Grand Strategist and multiple officers to spam extra turns, everybody's at L40, but they pretty much 1-shot a couple of characters right off the bat and all that goes out the window. I'm about 10 tries in and the best I've done is getting Caligos under 100 HP, with peripheral damage to his crew.

Then you are still not doing something right.

The game is so busted with Jae, Cassia, and your main as an officer + grand strategists that this fight and every other fight is trivial. 1000+hp? Lol doesn’t matter.

Make sure you have the arch militant archetype on Argenta and the ability that gives her buffs when she is given extra turns, including the exemplar abilities on your grand strategists that give extra AP. I also have an item on her that gives her +1 AP if she doesn’t move, and the blessed shell casing that means single shot bolter rounds never miss.

She can literally win boss fights before anyone gets to act. She ends up with 400-500 ballistic skill due to versatility stacks and about 7-8AP per turn. After she gets going she’s usually doing 100-150 damage per bullet.

I play on Daring btw.

[Princess_Daystar]

Originally posted by addictedtotanks:

Originally posted by treahnurb:

Lol rolling the Persuasion and have not to fight at all.

You must have a different confrontation scenario, rolling and winning results in a fight.

didnt for me, i persuaded him that he had fallen to chaos and he needed to redeem himself(he still gets crippled but he autokills the bloodthirster), it might depend on previous dialogues, helping his son, and what happens to footfall.