Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader

Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader

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Ciaina 20. dec. 2023 kl. 3:42
Argenta Driven quest act 4 how to get power armor?
As the title says.
I really, really, REALLY hope it's not locked with a discussion in chapter friggin 3. That would be dumb.

The whole thing about Repentias is having the humility of admitting your mistakes and repenting for them. Usually in suicidal battles.

I hope I didn't brick the quest by telling her to be humble, it would be beyond infuriating.

Anyone has any indications on how to actually get the armor ? I there a particular answer I should choose?
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Ciaina 20. dec. 2023 kl. 3:56 
Ok, it's bricked. Oh this is so soo sooooo dumb.
Na matter what dialogue I choose during the mission, she can't enter the ship and runs away.
Comes back 2 days later, says she is sorry.
Also, the quest doesn't end, just like "aeldari in trouble" or something.

Apparently telling her to be mindful of her mistakes is a BAD THING.

She should just shoot anything that she suspects of heresy. And maybe kill all the navigators and space marines as well, after all they are mutants. And never think twice about her mistakes.
Oh god this is so dumb.

Does anyone know what I should change with toybox so I can finish this properly?
Daleorn 23. dec. 2023 kl. 4:11 
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In Toybox -> Search'n pick -> "flags" in the left menu

Make sure Argenta is selected. There are 3 flags, Fire Fury and Humility. The Fire number needs to be the highest to succeed.

Edit:there is a search bar where you can type in fire fury and humility to bring up the correct flags
Sidst redigeret af Daleorn; 23. dec. 2023 kl. 4:13
Clarencezer 25. dec. 2023 kl. 9:31 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Th0rn:
In Toybox -> Search'n pick -> "flags" in the left menu

Make sure Argenta is selected. There are 3 flags, Fire Fury and Humility. The Fire number needs to be the highest to succeed.

Edit:there is a search bar where you can type in fire fury and humility to bring up the correct flags

BLESSED EMPEROR, I miraculously had a autosave to travel all the way back to Speculo and fight afterlight again. Used the toybox method you mentioned and increased the Fire flag to 20.

When the cutscene plays out, Argenta now goes into the light and came back with the Sororitas Power Armour! That and my Driven quest doesn't stay stuck at waiting for her to return.

Thank you for this!
Kaptin Bluddflagg 25. dec. 2023 kl. 9:52 
yeah i told her to be humble when we landed on the planet she was rejected
reload said u the best ♥♥♥♥♥ ever this is ur destiny and she walkt right on in no problem
Neoz 25. dec. 2023 kl. 9:55 
Sounds like terrible character arc.

The quest where she prays before the warrant bugged for me. It plopped me back I guess halfway through. I didn't notice until act 3 where it failed. Oh well. Nothing missed I guess.
Sidst redigeret af Neoz; 25. dec. 2023 kl. 9:56
Steel 25. dec. 2023 kl. 10:15 
I like Argenta in many ways, her art looks good, her VA is good, and I like the battle she has between sympathy and SoB dogmatic responses. Like when the orphan interrupted your speech, or when she was sympathetic towards Cassa (despite her being a navigator mutant) OR her reaction the the stuff going on at Footfall in act 4. She even agreed with Yrliet.

What I do have a gripe with is
Right after act 3 she and Heinrix show up and demand you punish Yrliet in someway for her betrayal. There isn't an option to school either of them, despite having justification to. Heinrix, because the agent working under him DID betray him, and more pressingly Argenta because, she's braying for blood over Yrliet's betrayal...... Right after she confessed to me about killing Theodora, a HUGE betrayal. It doesn't matter if Theodora was a heretic because Argenta killing her goes out of bounds of what someone can do to a RT.

This isn't me saying Argenta shouldn't have been able to kill her lorewise, she can do what she wants, however in speaking of betrayal, I REALLY wish we could've hinted at that during the scene, highlighting that I also extend my mercy towards Argenta, as I have just cause to shoot both her and Yrliet at that point.
A6M Zero 25. dec. 2023 kl. 15:18 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel:
What I do have a gripe with is
Right after act 3 she and Heinrix show up and demand you punish Yrliet in someway for her betrayal. There isn't an option to school either of them, despite having justification to. Heinrix, because the agent working under him DID betray him, and more pressingly Argenta because, she's braying for blood over Yrliet's betrayal...... Right after she confessed to me about killing Theodora, a HUGE betrayal. It doesn't matter if Theodora was a heretic because Argenta killing her goes out of bounds of what someone can do to a RT.

I never selected it so I'm not sure how it goes, but there's an option to say to Henrix, something like "remind me, what is the punishment for someone who doesn't realise their agent is a traitor?".
Sidst redigeret af A6M Zero; 25. dec. 2023 kl. 15:18
aramintai 26. dec. 2023 kl. 3:20 
Thank you for the solution. This is such a dumb quest for such a dumb, one dimensional character. Basically, you shouldn't encourage her to change, to stop and reflect on what she's been doing. Just keep on shooting, you trigger happy, gun-toting nun with a gun! That's what devs think is the most rewarding character "development" for this character.
Sidst redigeret af aramintai; 26. dec. 2023 kl. 3:20
Oprindeligt skrevet af A6M Zero:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Steel:
What I do have a gripe with is
Right after act 3 she and Heinrix show up and demand you punish Yrliet in someway for her betrayal. There isn't an option to school either of them, despite having justification to. Heinrix, because the agent working under him DID betray him, and more pressingly Argenta because, she's braying for blood over Yrliet's betrayal...... Right after she confessed to me about killing Theodora, a HUGE betrayal. It doesn't matter if Theodora was a heretic because Argenta killing her goes out of bounds of what someone can do to a RT.

I never selected it so I'm not sure how it goes, but there's an option to say to Henrix, something like "remind me, what is the punishment for someone who doesn't realise their agent is a traitor?".

He just gets mad a bit but nothing much comes from it
corisai 26. dec. 2023 kl. 6:44 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Raiden:
He just gets mad a bit but nothing much comes from it
So you guess that a few words like "I'm sorry" could heal people suffered from prolonged mental and physical tortures? Like Abelard, Pasqal, Cassia, Idira, Heinrix? Seriously, lol?

I highly doubt most of knife-ear lovers would be able to forgive someone sold them & their best friends to be tortured by maniacs.

And that ... elf is still arrogant enough to play card "oh no, I would talk only to you, not to the rest of mon-keys" >_<

I tried to be Iconolast, really tried. But no, here's elf going out of airlock at once. Without spacesuit.
Oombrella 26. dec. 2023 kl. 8:14 
Oprindeligt skrevet af corisai:
Oprindeligt skrevet af Raiden:
He just gets mad a bit but nothing much comes from it
So you guess that a few words like "I'm sorry" could heal people suffered from prolonged mental and physical tortures? Like Abelard, Pasqal, Cassia, Idira, Heinrix? Seriously, lol?

I highly doubt most of knife-ear lovers would be able to forgive someone sold them & their best friends to be tortured by maniacs.

And that ... elf is still arrogant enough to play card "oh no, I would talk only to you, not to the rest of mon-keys" >_<

I tried to be Iconolast, really tried. But no, here's elf going out of airlock at once. Without spacesuit.

Jokes on you; I didn't bring any-one except Argenta, and she wasn't tortured at all! Abelard also wasn't tortured. He was released into the city and got sucked off, but he's been shot and stabbed 1000 times before so I don't count that as traumatic.

Yrliet didn't sell you out either; she took the advice of Marazhai on where to find her kin and got both of you screwed over. Dumb of her, but considering she was under the impression you were lying to her about Crudarach and not helping her with it, I understand how she would make that mistake (that's why she's suprised if you agree to do it quickly.) Unless you're refering to the beta where she did sell you out; fair enough to kill her then lol.
Sidst redigeret af Oombrella; 26. dec. 2023 kl. 8:15
corisai 26. dec. 2023 kl. 8:22 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Oombrella:
Abelard also wasn't tortured. He was released into the city and got sucked off, but he's been shot and stabbed 1000 times before so I don't count that as traumatic.
You don't read dialogues, right? Now he's constantly haunted by memories of his last wife - and it will never stop until he die (his ending slide now changed). And Chronos Pain Engine draining a life-force in very... drukhari way. Read dialogue with it carefully.

Any kind of apologies to him, Yrliet? Oh, Abelard is just a mon-key... Okay, sister Argenta would you be so kind... >_<

Oprindeligt skrevet af Oombrella:
Yrliet didn't sell you out either; she took the advice of Marazhai on where to find her kin and got both of you screwed over.
Yes, yes, yes - an Aeldari know nothing about how drukhari are trustworthy. Nice joke.
Sidst redigeret af corisai; 26. dec. 2023 kl. 8:22
Daleorn 26. dec. 2023 kl. 8:22 
I think Argenta's story does make sense from a 40k perspective. Maybe humility makes more sense to our more egalitarian views from today but not in 40k. The ship she is walking into belonged to someone who was 100% about that life for the god emperor and would reject someone who was not as zealous. This is not a universe we can fix, especially not by being kind and humble.
muffinhell84 26. dec. 2023 kl. 10:30 
Oprindeligt skrevet af Oombrella:
Yes, yes, yes - an Aeldari know nothing about how drukhari are trustworthy. Nice joke.

I think it's plausible given the vulnerable emotional state as they desperately searched for scraps of hope to save their people - basically the perfect mark similar to IRL. Could also be forgiven for not understanding the levels of depravity the Drukhari are capable of since most with first hand experience don't survive to coherently tell.

In-game events also seem to support this the idea Yrliet was merely stupid/naive rather than malicious:

  • Marazhai straight up tells you that they played her like a fiddle when you question them
  • Yrliet can make multiple attempts to atone for here mistakes whilst in the Dark City like volunteering to be a sacrifice themselves to the haemonculi
  • Above is confirmed by their internal dialog when you're in their mind (soul?) space during the final part of their companion quest
  • Reaction of other retinue members is understandable but also hypocritical given the skeletons in their closest - like the bombshell Argenta drops about killing Theodora where there seems to be no follow on despite Abelard's reaction at the time

Unrelated I just ran into the same issue as OP. It sucks how broken Argenta seems afterwards and that not being a human piece of garbage seems to block her from getting the armour. I guess it's consistent with the grimderp universe so that's fair! The Toybox fix does work however and setting "Sororitas_Fire" flag to be higher than "Sororitas_Humility" but still having the latter leads to some cool middleground dialog
Sidst redigeret af muffinhell84; 26. dec. 2023 kl. 11:16
corisai 26. dec. 2023 kl. 10:44 
Oprindeligt skrevet af muffinhell84:
I think it's plausible given the vulnerable emotional state as they desperately searched for scraps of hope to save their people - basically the perfect mark similar to IRL.
Absolutely.

My issue - she don't realize how much pain and suffering caused to other companions (lol, everyone know it's better to kill yourself then being caught by drukhari, even chaos minions are not THAT sadistic). She still overfilled with racial supremacy and arrogance "I'm refusing to talk with mon-keys, only with you", while have a VERY good reason to step out from it at least for once.

So for me - yes, she's definitely consumed by affection to MC, but still remain the same arrogant and naughty eldar. That mean as a good Captain I must avenge for my crew myself (or with Argenta bolter in that case).
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