Shouldn't the Space Wolf be Iconoclast, and not Dogmatic?

[Karak Sonen]

From all Lore that i know they've been described to not believe that the Emperor is an God, and usually border on being deemed heretical from the way that they act.

From fighting Grey Knights over the lives of Civilians in the Months of Shame to usually not really seeming to care about the imperial cult.

Dogmatic choices seem universally to be about "For the Emperor! Suffer not the Witch/Xeno/Heretic to live!" where as Iconoclast choices are usually in favor of the common man, which seems far more in line with what we know about Space Wolf behavior when it comes to the common people.

Edit: Talking to him points all the above out, which is odd that they gave him dogmatic traits.

[Nachtmahr_Senior]

Butcher の投稿を引用：

What even defines iconoclast? Abelard for instance has no problem with killing ship workers and overall he is obeying orders kind of guy. Wouldn't guess he is iconoclast without checking his alignment.

No, Abelard is dogmatic in the game.

[Zagin]

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some of them do but alota of night lords still stick with the belief that chaos makes you weak and those who use it are punks
read the Soul Hunter books by Aaron Dembski-Bowden they are great and you realy see the veiwpoint from the night lords eyes

I know there is some leeway, but they still becae one of the traitor legions. Whatever reason or motive they had for it, the result is the same.

read the books you feel for them its interesting to find out that there primarc was not fully compatible with the geneseed kinda why he went insain and alowed him self to be killed kinda as an FU to dad but all that gets fixed when they put that geneseed in a navagator cant wait for more nightlords lore

[Harukage]

Abelard is an old Navy officer. Follow your orders, ask questions later.

[jonoliveira12]

Nachtmahr_Senior の投稿を引用：

Butcher の投稿を引用：

What even defines iconoclast? Abelard for instance has no problem with killing ship workers and overall he is obeying orders kind of guy. Wouldn't guess he is iconoclast without checking his alignment.

No, Abelard is dogmatic in the game.

No, he is Iconoclastic, as he can wear gear that demands Iconoclast alignment.
Same as Idira being able to wear Heretical gear.

[Khryst]

Butcher の投稿を引用：

What even defines iconoclast? Abelard for instance has no problem with killing ship workers and overall he is obeying orders kind of guy. Wouldn't guess he is iconoclast without checking his alignment.

That's actually a big problem the game has. How it defines Iconoclast isn't "anti-imperial", especially when Adelbard was Imperial Navy (so one would think more Dogma).

but the game for whatever reason treats Icono as if your a tau "greater good" goofball.

[Zagin]

Butcher の投稿を引用：

What even defines iconoclast? Abelard for instance has no problem with killing ship workers and overall he is obeying orders kind of guy. Wouldn't guess he is iconoclast without checking his alignment.

Those workers went aginst you in eny way they have broke the EMPS WILL your a rouge trader you kinda have licence to do eny thing , kinda makes me feel better when i walk around picking up ppls goods

[Nachtmahr_Senior]

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Nachtmahr_Senior の投稿を引用：

No, Abelard is dogmatic in the game.

No, he is Iconoclastic, as he can wear gear that demands Iconoclast alignment.
Same as Idira being able to wear Heretical gear.

Ah, you are absolutely right. My apologise

[jonoliveira12]

Zagin の投稿を引用：

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I know there is some leeway, but they still becae one of the traitor legions. Whatever reason or motive they had for it, the result is the same.

read the books you feel for them its interesting to find out that there primarc was not fully compatible with the geneseed kinda why he went insain and alowed him self to be killed kinda as an FU to dad but all that gets fixed when they put that geneseed in a navagator cant wait for more nightlords lore

They... put their geneseed on a navigator?

I am imagining a frail mutant girl surrounded by a legion of 6m tall men, and they go: "you are getting a gift tonight, though who gives it, we cannot tell."

[Steppenrazor]

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logar was just baking the cake fulgrum put that cake... well lets just say he put in inside himself

Haaaaaaaaaa!

Haaaaaaaaaa!

Haaaaaaaaaa!

This certainty is a curse! Why was I bestow upon this knowing? There is no pain that can erase this torment from my mind!
I would rather get the butcher's nails!

i know right..

the pain.. its so sweet.. omg.. i..

*cough* yea this is so wrong..

can you just picture that "naught" look backwards as the cake gets..

nope. stop.

[Zagin]

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read the books you feel for them its interesting to find out that there primarc was not fully compatible with the geneseed kinda why he went insain and alowed him self to be killed kinda as an FU to dad but all that gets fixed when they put that geneseed in a navagator cant wait for more nightlords lore

They... put their geneseed on a navigator?

I am imagining a frail mutant girl surrounded by a legion of 6m tall men, and they go: "you are getting a gift tonight, though who gives it, we cannot tell."

there are male navigators

[Zagin]

thats not how you get geneseed

he gets it after his mother who was a slave to the night lords is set free only they later kidnap her child and implant the seed

[Butcher]

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What even defines iconoclast? Abelard for instance has no problem with killing ship workers and overall he is obeying orders kind of guy. Wouldn't guess he is iconoclast without checking his alignment.

Those workers went aginst you in eny way they have broke the EMPS WILL your a rouge trader you kinda have licence to do eny thing , kinda makes me feel better when i walk around picking up ppls goods

But that's, like, according to laws. Iconoclast supposed to be against established order.

Besides, threating workers badly is the way of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, since it only gives more recruits to chaos ranks.

[Daliena]

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They... put their geneseed on a navigator?

I am imagining a frail mutant girl surrounded by a legion of 6m tall men, and they go: "you are getting a gift tonight, though who gives it, we cannot tell."

there are male navigators

In this very game even. Case in point, Felek, Aaronto, and that one old dude on the station who was Cassia's loyal guardian who's name I forget. And you can also find a male Navigator of House Cassini on a derelict ship but canna' remember his name either. Sorry, those two dudes, but I'm bad with names.

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Those workers went aginst you in eny way they have broke the EMPS WILL your a rouge trader you kinda have licence to do eny thing , kinda makes me feel better when i walk around picking up ppls goods

But that's, like, according to laws. Iconoclast supposed to be against established order.

Besides, threating workers badly is the way of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, since it only gives more recruits to chaos ranks.

Abelard believes in discipline and order through fear of repercussions if need be, the old "If you help the enemy, then there won't be enough of you left to bury once I'm done with you" approach.

Personally I find it daft indeed, and would rather explain to him that by inspiring actual loyalty the crew can be girded to side with you against such threats, instead of feeling that they're so downtrodden and miserable that they have nothing left to lose by siding with the Archenemy, but here we are..

[jonoliveira12]

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Haaaaaaaaaa!

Haaaaaaaaaa!

Haaaaaaaaaa!

This certainty is a curse! Why was I bestow upon this knowing? There is no pain that can erase this torment from my mind!
I would rather get the butcher's nails!

i know right..

the pain.. its so sweet.. omg.. i..

*cough* yea this is so wrong..

can you just picture that "naught" look backwards as the cake gets..

nope. stop.

RELEASE MY MIND, DAEMON!!!

[Zagin]

Butcher の投稿を引用：

Zagin の投稿を引用：

Those workers went aginst you in eny way they have broke the EMPS WILL your a rouge trader you kinda have licence to do eny thing , kinda makes me feel better when i walk around picking up ppls goods

But that's, like, according to laws. Iconoclast supposed to be against established order.

Besides, threating workers badly is the way of ♥♥♥♥♥♥, since it only gives more recruits to chaos ranks.

while at sea or on a ship that law is befor all else hes an old navy man