Does nothing work for psykers?

[RestInPieces]

Despite archetypes (especially advanced ones) being all about guns/melee and having hardly any synergy for psykers, even some things that are supposed to work, since "psyker powers are considered as attacks", don't.

No assassin opening extra damage for psychic powers, no Tide of Excellence or Psychic Barrage damage bonus for dots like poison or burn and I can't find a crit anywhere in the tooltip for them even after getting Sparks of the Greater Flame.

[Ultimatum]

So I went with a Biomancer. Melee build (using the two-handed hammer) with the Arch-Militant archetype. It's pretty good, I had zero problems really, on Daring=Core difficulty, probably could work on higher as well, it's all in how you build your character and what talents you pick etc. Enfeeble I believe gives a stack for the arch-militant, combined with the ranged weapon and a melee weapon, extra turns from officers, etc. I found myself destroying multiple enemies at the time, and in one round really.

[lordgizka]

Master Tactician works. Base ability is good enough.

[RestInPieces]

Originally posted by The Unseen:

So I went with a Biomancer. Melee build (using the two-handed hammer) with the Arch-Militant archetype. It's pretty good, I had zero problems really, on Daring=Core difficulty, probably could work on higher as well, it's all in how you build your character and what talents you pick etc. Enfeeble I believe gives a stack for the arch-militant, combined with the ranged weapon and a melee weapon, extra turns from officers, etc. I found myself destroying multiple enemies at the time, and in one round really.

I am playing on hard and don't have issues either, the game is much easier than pathfinder. But that is not what I am saying at all and I don't get why people feel the need to mention "I demolish everything with my psycher, oh, who btw is also a soldier with a heavy bolter".

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Despite archetypes (especially advanced ones) being all about guns/melee and having hardly any synergy for psykers, even some things that are supposed to work, since "psyker powers are considered as attacks", don't.

No assassin opening extra damage for psychic powers, no Tide of Excellence or Psychic Barrage damage bonus for dots like poison or burn and I can't find a crit anywhere in the tooltip for them even after getting Sparks of the Greater Flame.

Run and Gun (soldier) works with psyker attack powers, giving you 2 attacks per round just like it would with a gun. Master Tacticians core ability works with powers as well.

[Neoz]

A lot of Psyker stuff is broken still. Psalm of heroes is STILL not working. Exploits work with Psyker Powers, IDK about assassin.

[Faptor]

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

Yeah, the Psyker is really bland. Ive been cheating my face off and even the enemys secret psyker powers are pretty underwhelming.
Long range psyker is an absolute snore fest, it sucks. I wish there were more damaging powers.

[TheLuckyAce]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Despite archetypes (especially advanced ones) being all about guns/melee and having hardly any synergy for psykers, even some things that are supposed to work, since "psyker powers are considered as attacks", don't.

No assassin opening extra damage for psychic powers, no Tide of Excellence or Psychic Barrage damage bonus for dots like poison or burn and I can't find a crit anywhere in the tooltip for them even after getting Sparks of the Greater Flame.

Run and Gun (soldier) works with psyker attack powers, giving you 2 attacks per round just like it would with a gun. Master Tacticians core ability works with powers as well.

This, also Operative Expose Weekness should work as well. If I recall correctly the Arch-Militant thing does also stack up with Psyker attacks.
Also all buffs like "giving buff XYZ after dealing damage" get triggert by Psyker abilitys as well. This implies as well that buffs which increase Crit or Dmg will boost the Psyker abilities.
Soldier has a "if you deal damage you get more crit" thing while Psyker has a "if you deal damage you get more crit rate" thing... take both and they add up.

There is quite a lot which works with Psyker. The tooltips just dont tell.

[talemore]

Cassia use your AoE 1000 damage trick

Psykers you can sit and watch.

[Neoz]

Originally posted by Faptor:

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

Yeah, the Psyker is really bland. Ive been cheating my face off and even the enemys secret psyker powers are pretty underwhelming.
Long range psyker is an absolute snore fest, it sucks. I wish there were more damaging powers.

You can build a pretty deadly psyker, but it only really comes online at 20+, and even then still relies on weaponry for awhile.

[F-Man]

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

I guess you mean like the talent that is available when picking a new ability?
You do get a quite nice list of general (common) talents which synergize well and can be different builds.
But I agree there could be a bit more than just up your psyker lvl.
Does a pure psyker (no weapons) work without getting boring (or with more than just everyday skills)? I mean Argenta just shoots stuff or Cassie just gazes and commands and then again, I'm not tired of it.
But Heinrix and Idira are not pure psykers for me despite a focused psyker talent selection.

[Balekai]

My Sanctic Psyker Officer, at least since latest patch, is applying Officer's Focus! and other talent buffs via word of the Emperor line of abilities. I tested out a few.

I just had a battle where a good amount of my characters had 100ish BS with no investment and Argenta had 80 alone from Focus! sracks for about 270 BS.

In order to perpetuate docus! stacks you need to initially stack it 2-3 in one turn to get the ball rolling. Or else some allies will not build up the stacks (Focus mechanic thing).

That said being able to cast say Shield of the Emperor every turn and apply stuff like Focus! to all party members, and allies, all at once is pretty OP. Crazy enough giving trash tons of armour, deflection and resolve.

My Officer is like a ritual caster just pulsating the Emperor's light every turn making everything super tanky and mean. My allied trash are actually fairly powerful. ;p

[Batailleuse]

Originally posted by F-Man:

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

I guess you mean like the talent that is available when picking a new ability?
You do get a quite nice list of general (common) talents which synergize well and can be different builds.
But I agree there could be a bit more than just up your psyker lvl.
Does a pure psyker (no weapons) work without getting boring (or with more than just everyday skills)? I mean Argenta just shoots stuff or Cassie just gazes and commands and then again, I'm not tired of it.
But Heinrix and Idira are not pure psykers for me despite a focused psyker talent selection.

most psyker build are either

Leader + psyker buffs, it's strong as as support, not so much as damage.

Operative + mental psyker, just blast single target until you get the AOE and then you can just delete entire groups.

Soldier + sanctic : sorta like a paladin early mostly used as buffer/tank until you get your Psyker Ultimate, then you can start deleting things with your psysword

[F-Man]

Originally posted by Batailleuse:

most psyker build are either

Leader + psyker buffs, it's strong as as support, not so much as damage.

Operative + mental psyker, just blast single target until you get the AOE and then you can just delete entire groups.

Soldier + sanctic : sorta like a paladin early mostly used as buffer/tank until you get your Psyker Ultimate, then you can start deleting things with your psysword

That's kind of my (sad?) experience.
I want to make Heinrix into a melee psyker (which oviously fits his thematic), but he's mostly just buffing and not attacking. I got the ancient force sword (they missed a talent there) but his damage is still kind of meh. Abelard with two handed power hammer still does a third more damage despite psyker lvl 3 and both are Vanguards.

[RestInPieces]

Originally posted by F-Man:

Originally posted by RestInPieces:

Nearly nothing boosting these powers and no synergy makes these powers and psyker progression subpar and boring, simple as that.

I guess you mean like the talent that is available when picking a new ability?
You do get a quite nice list of general (common) talents which synergize well and can be different builds.
But I agree there could be a bit more than just up your psyker lvl.
Does a pure psyker (no weapons) work without getting boring (or with more than just everyday skills)? I mean Argenta just shoots stuff or Cassie just gazes and commands and then again, I'm not tired of it.
But Heinrix and Idira are not pure psykers for me despite a focused psyker talent selection.

If some talents also worked for psychic powers, there would be a point of putting some thought into choosing an advanced archetype.

Operator and Soldier at least have their initial powers and maybe one talent each, but that's pretty much it, and exploits don't even work for non-hits like DOT damage or other procs, which makes them not synergize at all with the archetype.

[puppet74]

i dunno i went psyker pyro with orch flames, backdraft with the aoe skill and that forget the skill name the beam that does a tone of direct dmg and melts armor. went sniper as well with assassin. stack my buffs on a target and let the fre go and its pretty damn strong tbh.
i will say most psykers dont really get really good till like lvl 20 lol