The fact that my PC doesn't say anything about Calligos Winterheart upon Quetza Temer is one thing... [Major Spoilers]

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

...but the fact that Heinrix doesn't recognise a Heretic who has very-very obviously fallen to Khorne is appalling. No Lore: Warp roll or anything? Maybe Lore: Imperium or Logic or Awareness or whatever.

If I can tell a Khornate heretic from a mile away then surely an Inquisitor can too.

I mean, come ON, how much more obvious can it be? "Blood for the Rogue Trader's throne?" Really?

I literally just said good-bye to him after eradicating some Xeno together, the game hasn't "revealed" it yet, but since I am a "Khorne boy" (as my "Tzeench boy" friend would say) I can very easily identify my own kind.

[Natya]

Originally posted by edge_braak:

Quite blatantly the Inquisition doesn't have authority over Rogue Traders... or else they'd have stopped them a long time ago during one of their more dogmatic periods.

Rogue Traders break rules all the time that would get anyone else except the Inquisition shot on the spot. They pal around with T'au, Aedari, even Orks from time to time. They have almost complete freedom within their remit, entirely because they have the Emperor's written approval.

As for you seeing someone who's fallen to Khorne and the Inquisitor not; bear in mind that we have a perspective that isn't clouded by absolute insane fanaticism. The line between 'has fallen to Khorne' and 'is a bit more enthusiastic about killing for the Emperor than is entirely comfortable' is razor thin.

Show me a Khorne Berserker and a Sisters Repentia in battle and tell me the difference.

The difference is THE BERSERKER is the one being sensible and wearing armour.

The 41st Millenium is full of utterly deranged lunatics. If you start shooting people just for that you'll have nobody left.

Keep in mind, details about the warp and ruinous powers are scarce for a reason. The Inquisition literally has an Ordo for expunging any written record that isn't approved. (even as they have one for recovering and restoring lost records as well... no, I'm not joking, that is real.)

For all the talk of the Archenemy note that there's almost never any mention of the Ruinous Powers or the Chaos Gods, and with good reason.

If you're not Ordo Malleus or a Grey Knight chances are you don't know, which is part of why there is no Inquisitor origin, cause once they initiate you in those secrets they don't let you go, because you could compromise the secret.

[Khryst]

Originally posted by Starstruck:

If you're not Ordo Malleus or a Grey Knight chances are you don't know, which is part of why there is no Inquisitor origin, cause once they initiate you in those secrets they don't let you go, because you could compromise the secret.

great, now I WANT an Inquisitor background for a Dogmatic playthrough were they have "unique" chat options to shout "HERESY!" (fully voiced of course) and start shooting people.

yes I know there are already Dogmatic choices that you shoot people but it lacks the "HERESY!" yelling.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Originally posted by Starstruck:

Originally posted by edge_braak:

Quite blatantly the Inquisition doesn't have authority over Rogue Traders... or else they'd have stopped them a long time ago during one of their more dogmatic periods.

Rogue Traders break rules all the time that would get anyone else except the Inquisition shot on the spot. They pal around with T'au, Aedari, even Orks from time to time. They have almost complete freedom within their remit, entirely because they have the Emperor's written approval.

As for you seeing someone who's fallen to Khorne and the Inquisitor not; bear in mind that we have a perspective that isn't clouded by absolute insane fanaticism. The line between 'has fallen to Khorne' and 'is a bit more enthusiastic about killing for the Emperor than is entirely comfortable' is razor thin.

Show me a Khorne Berserker and a Sisters Repentia in battle and tell me the difference.

The difference is THE BERSERKER is the one being sensible and wearing armour.

The 41st Millenium is full of utterly deranged lunatics. If you start shooting people just for that you'll have nobody left.

Keep in mind, details about the warp and ruinous powers are scarce for a reason. The Inquisition literally has an Ordo for expunging any written record that isn't approved. (even as they have one for recovering and restoring lost records as well... no, I'm not joking, that is real.)

For all the talk of the Archenemy note that there's almost never any mention of the Ruinous Powers or the Chaos Gods, and with good reason.

If you're not Ordo Malleus or a Grey Knight chances are you don't know, which is part of why there is no Inquisitor origin, cause once they initiate you in those secrets they don't let you go, because you could compromise the secret.

So what you two are arguing is that even though for me, who has an internet access to the WH40k wiki, this might be obvious, but even to Heinrix, who is in the Ordo, it might not be, especially since he's in the wrong Ordo (neither Maleus nor Hereticus), correct?

When you put it like that it does sound more plausible. What I think is a dead give-away is how he is shown to be completely tireless after 5 days of killing, which is even contrasted with the rest of his retinue, who look completely exhausted and worn-out, which he himself is surprised by when you point out to him.

Still, that is subtle enough that I can forgive the game for not giving me an option for BLAMing him on the spot.

Are you sure Heinrix doesn't know this tho? I mean, he is shown interacting with Tzeenchi machines, like the one that tells the future, which is not only not Xenos stuff, but not even so much an Inquisition stuff, more Mechanicus, so it seems to me that his general knowledge on all things heretical should be broad enough to recognise a Khorne worshipper, but now we really are into the "debatable" territory instead of the "completely obvious".

I suppose if my PC instantly recognised a Khorne guy, the response might be: "And how, exactly, have YOU come to know so much about the teachings of the blood god?", correct?

[Khryst]

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

Originally posted by Starstruck:

Keep in mind, details about the warp and ruinous powers are scarce for a reason. The Inquisition literally has an Ordo for expunging any written record that isn't approved. (even as they have one for recovering and restoring lost records as well... no, I'm not joking, that is real.)

For all the talk of the Archenemy note that there's almost never any mention of the Ruinous Powers or the Chaos Gods, and with good reason.

If you're not Ordo Malleus or a Grey Knight chances are you don't know, which is part of why there is no Inquisitor origin, cause once they initiate you in those secrets they don't let you go, because you could compromise the secret.

So what you two are arguing is that even though for me, who has an internet access to the WH40k wiki, this might be obvious, but even to Heinrix, who is in the Ordo, it might not be, especially since he's in the wrong Ordo (neither Maleus nor Hereticus), correct?

When you put it like that it does sound more plausible. What I think is a dead give-away is how he is shown to be completely tireless after 5 days of killing, which is even contrasted with the rest of his retinue, who look completely exhausted and worn-out, which he himself is surprised by when you point out to him.

Still, that is subtle enough that I can forgive the game for not giving me an option for BLAMing him on the spot.

Are you sure Heinrix doesn't know this tho? I mean, he is shown interacting with Tzeenchi machines, like the one that tells the future, which is not only not Xenos stuff, but not even so much an Inquisition stuff, more Mechanicus, so it seems to me that his general knowledge on all things heretical should be broad enough to recognise a Khorne worshipper, but now we really are into the "debatable" territory instead of the "completely obvious".

I suppose if my PC instantly recognised a Khorne guy, the response might be: "And how, exactly, have YOU come to know so much about the teachings of the blood god?", correct?

just because it isn't Maleus or Hereticus doesn't mean he's unaware, nor does it mean he wouldn't know things that might fall into Mechanicus region of experience. he is still an interrogator (which means he does indeed know secrets) he's older then he looks (his own admission about being a biomancer psyker) and part of a LORD INQUISITOR's personal retinue, which gives him far more believable knowledge/access then say an interrogator in the retinue of just an Inquisitor. As Lord Inquistor's are on par with some of the most powerful people in the Imperium in terms of knowledge/access/power/rank.

He's likely been mindwiped a few times throughout his life, and by progressing his personal story you see he's been involved in quite of bit of "shady" ♥♥♥♥ at the behest of the Lord Inquisitor for quite some time, before the events of the game.

[Adanu]

Originally posted by heh:

The protagonist can litearlly jump around shouting about how they're a slave to the masters of chaos right in front of him and all Heinrix has to say is "interesting choice of words", the dude is a re-tard.

Nah, Hendrix does mot have the authority to bring in a heretic Rogue Trader. Only the Lord Inquisitor does. Hendrix will tell the LI... and that is evidence enough.

[I'm A Distraction!]

To be fair, Heinrix I can imagine not wanting to divulge too much, or maybe missing it since his expertise seems to be xenos with a splash of Mallus. Argenta, though, as the Militant arm of Ordo Hereticus and with zero chill, should be steel eyed basically begging you for the chance to shoot the heretic.

As for not being tired (not gotten to that point yet, lol), it's not like that's too surprising. People performing supernatural acts from their faith in the Emperor (like walking through fire, cough) are well known. Hell, plenty of the saints held in high regard by the Imperial Guard are soldiers or captain's who never tired after weeks or months of hard fighting.

[Entaris]

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

...but the fact that Heinrix doesn't recognise a Heretic who has very-very obviously fallen to Khorne is appalling. No Lore: Warp roll or anything? Maybe Lore: Imperium or Logic or Awareness or whatever.

If I can tell a Khornate heretic from a mile away then surely an Inquisitor can too.

I mean, come ON, how much more obvious can it be? "Blood for the Rogue Trader's throne?" Really?

I literally just said good-bye to him after eradicating some Xeno together, the game hasn't "revealed" it yet, but since I am a "Khorne boy" (as my "Tzeench boy" friend would say) I can very easily identify my own kind.

The only RPG I've felt MORE "In the Bubble" about was Dragon Age: Inquisition

[jonoliveira12]

I agree, Heinrix, Pasqal and Argenta should say sometyhing, but it is not like any of them would be abl to do anything, since teh Warrant of Trade also prevents other Rogue Traders fron interfering in such matters.
At most, you could declare war on him, and hope Heinrix could convince the Inquisition to send support, because Winterscale is harbouring heretics, but that would be very difficult, since your dynasty harboured Idira, and Theodora had even shadier dealings, not to mention taht they may not be interested in aiding any side, as to not risk one of them to go full blown heretic, and break off from the Imperium.

This is similar to the issues real life countries had with colonial viceroys and companies. Once established, they may just gain enough power to rival the mainland, and will be hard to remove.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

I agree, Heinrix, Pasqal and Argenta should say sometyhing, but it is not like any of them would be abl to do anything, since teh Warrant of Trade also prevents other Rogue Traders fron interfering in such matters.
At most, you could declare war on him, and hope Heinrix could convince the Inquisition to send support, because Winterscale is harbouring heretics, but that would be very difficult, since your dynasty harboured Idira, and Theodora had even shadier dealings, not to mention taht they may not be interested in aiding any side, as to not risk one of them to go full blown heretic, and break off from the Imperium.

This is similar to the issues real life countries had with colonial viceroys and companies. Once established, they may just gain enough power to rival the mainland, and will be hard to remove.

Regardless, we are even footing at least in theory and I'm KNOWN to be a devout faithful, as I have demonstrated to that insane woman at Footfall and we were bros purging heretics together, so the inquisition would seriously lose face, especially in the face of the house they've just installed as the head of the ONLY imperial base in the Koronus expanse.

Therefore, if one of the aforementioned companions like Argenta (whom I always bring everywhere, Pasqual was there too) should be like "uhm, hey, he's a heretic")
And then I should be able to make a move, I have the freedom to do so at least in theory and if I want to kick the Hornet's nest because "The Emperor demands it", it should be on me to then fight it out.

I can probably expect help, or at least non-compliance from House Chorda. If I kill the head of house Winterhouse right there and then, then the Inquisitor would be stuck dealing with 1 beheaded house of unquestionable heretics, 2 extremely Dogmatic and powerful houses, the heretics and the xeno. At that point they would probably cut losses and side with the 2 houses that have demonstrated an unqestionable level of devoiton, at least in order not to lose face. Oh, and the Adeptus Mechanicus is probably on my side too, so there's that.

[Daliena]

What's a little enthusiasm in purging the enemies of man among friends?

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[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

I agree, Heinrix, Pasqal and Argenta should say sometyhing, but it is not like any of them would be abl to do anything, since teh Warrant of Trade also prevents other Rogue Traders fron interfering in such matters.
At most, you could declare war on him, and hope Heinrix could convince the Inquisition to send support, because Winterscale is harbouring heretics, but that would be very difficult, since your dynasty harboured Idira, and Theodora had even shadier dealings, not to mention taht they may not be interested in aiding any side, as to not risk one of them to go full blown heretic, and break off from the Imperium.

This is similar to the issues real life countries had with colonial viceroys and companies. Once established, they may just gain enough power to rival the mainland, and will be hard to remove.

Regardless, we are even footing at least in theory and I'm KNOWN to be a devout faithful, as I have demonstrated to that insane woman at Footfall and we were bros purging heretics together, so the inquisition would seriously lose face, especially in the face of the house they've just installed as the head of the ONLY imperial base in the Koronus expanse.

Therefore, if one of the aforementioned companions like Argenta (whom I always bring everyone, Pasqual was there too) should be like "uhm, hey, he's a heretic")
And then I should be able to make a move, I have the freedom to do so at least in theory and if I want to kick the Hornet's nest because "The Emperor demands it", it should be on me to then fight it out.

I can probably expect help, or at least non-compliance from House Chorda. If I kill the head of house Winterhouse right there and then, then the Inquisitor would be stuck dealing with 1 beheaded house of unquestionable heretics, 2 extremely Dogmatic and powerful houses, the heretics and the xeno. At that point they would probably cut losses and side with the 2 houses that have demonstrated an unqestionable level of devoiton, at least in order not to lose face. Oh, and the Adeptus Mechanicus is probably on my side too, so there's that.

No.
Rogue Traders also have no authority to directly interfere in teh business of other Rogue Traders. The WoT is a "get out of jail free" card, you have to SERIOUSLY mess up to have it revoked.
It is basically diplomatic immunity, taken to the extreme. Unless the Winterscales start sending planets to the Warp, no one will ahve enough cause to do much, because catching red-handed is not likely, and you being fully faithful does not do anything towards another RT dynasty.
Your only recourse would be to declare war, and taht is a double-edged sword, as the WS could just claim you started the conflict, and get Imperium backing for it. The game also lacks the gameplay mechanics to have you play war, anyway.

[I'm A Distraction!]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Originally posted by Pope Innocent the 69th:

Regardless, we are even footing at least in theory and I'm KNOWN to be a devout faithful, as I have demonstrated to that insane woman at Footfall and we were bros purging heretics together, so the inquisition would seriously lose face, especially in the face of the house they've just installed as the head of the ONLY imperial base in the Koronus expanse.

Therefore, if one of the aforementioned companions like Argenta (whom I always bring everyone, Pasqual was there too) should be like "uhm, hey, he's a heretic")
And then I should be able to make a move, I have the freedom to do so at least in theory and if I want to kick the Hornet's nest because "The Emperor demands it", it should be on me to then fight it out.

I can probably expect help, or at least non-compliance from House Chorda. If I kill the head of house Winterhouse right there and then, then the Inquisitor would be stuck dealing with 1 beheaded house of unquestionable heretics, 2 extremely Dogmatic and powerful houses, the heretics and the xeno. At that point they would probably cut losses and side with the 2 houses that have demonstrated an unqestionable level of devoiton, at least in order not to lose face. Oh, and the Adeptus Mechanicus is probably on my side too, so there's that.

No.
Rogue Traders also have no authority to directly interfere in teh business of other Rogue Traders. The WoT is a "get out of jail free" card, you have to SERIOUSLY mess up to have it revoked.
It is basically diplomatic immunity, taken to the extreme. Unless the Winterscales start sending planets to the Warp, no one will ahve enough cause to do much, because catching red-handed is not likely, and you being fully faithful does not do anything towards another RT dynasty.
Your only recourse would be to declare war, and taht is a double-edged sword, as the WS could just claim you started the conflict, and get Imperium backing for it. The game also lacks the gameplay mechanics to have you play war, anyway.

We're all blocked from the Imperium by a warp storm, it could be centuries before safe passage is restored. So everything here would be 'in house's.

The Inquisition would do it subtly via assassination. There can be wink wink nudge nudges about them being the agent responsible, using evidence if it's brought up to the High Lord's of Terra, but they also probably don't want to anger the dynasty going forward. Ideally they'd try to Stoke one of his heirs to depose him and take the Warrant into his heretical hands.

[Sir Knight]

I was so annoyed by this whole thing. It was so obvious he was tainted. Or on a full on khorne rage. I sided with the eldar at the end and attacked Calligos his lacky then sacrificed one of his retinue and summoned in bezerkers. And not a thing was said about it? Was the content cut or something?

[Harukage]

Caligos was controled by his archmilitant through the axe he gifted to him. You can learn that if you talk Winterscale out of atacking eldar, and then confront him after he atacks the village.
He does not even know what he was doing. Literally. He then confronts his archmilitant and gets his spine broken in a fight aagainst a summoned Herald of Khorne. So he repents in a way.
Is he guilty - yes, probably, depends on the point of view. Is he khornate - no.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Caligos was controled by his archmilitant through the axe he gifted to him. You can learn that if you talk Winterscale out of atacking eldar, and then confront him after he atacks the village.
He does not even know what he was doing. Literally. He then confronts his archmilitant and gets his spine broken in a fight aagainst a summoned Herald of Khorne. So he repents in a way.
Is he guilty - yes, probably, depends on the point of view. Is he khornate - no.

It seems you can redeem everyone, nice.