ok what is going on with Veil Degeneration?

[rman88]

Why are psykers summoning demons on their First Cast? mind you i get it. Don't use to many powers of the warp or bad thing happens. Old brain go boom and a demon pops out of it.

But why is this happening at 5 veil degeneration? Sure i get it you got a little bar their. has that big picture of a demon and clearly a Do not go over thing. But why am i summoning demons at 1 point? And mind you this is not a fun mechanic to use. As sure i get it in the table top game. 1 bad roll on your psychic test and bam you just lost a unit.

But why even have this mechanic when 99% of the time you will be summoning a demon every combat phase. Why even use psykers then? when it dose not matter how much you use psychic powers. They always just either die and summon a demon or just summon a demon.

At this point i might as well replace them with anything else. As not like they are Mages. Your not going to use them to heal your characters. So what is the point?

[rman88]

Note i am not saying this mechanic is bad. I am saying her mechanic is bad. As sure i have no issue with her summoning demons. If she use her power to much or special circumstances. No one hear is arguing against that.

I am arguing it happening at 0 veil degergation. First buff she cast Poof head popped off and a random demon appears. At that point i might as well just reload. As why bother fighting 1 man down with a new enimie that mind you. Only attacks me. It don't g o rampaging and killing anyone else. Nope don't matter of its eldar necrons or herticis. They all hate you and only use.

As this shouldn't happen at 5 vail degeneration.

[Morgian]

Idira is complicated. On the one hand she has these 5%, which is probably like a problem every 3-4 battles. If the problem (a demon) materializes in range of Argenta, he just becomes bonus xp. You are only in trouble if your strikers are distributed around the battlefield with obstacles between.
On the other hand she is a powerful psychic with useful abilities. From my own observation the 5% are somewhat skewed. I never had any mishap from using Forewarning and the other divination buff. Maybe just the luck of the dice, but I got the impression that debuffs and attacks are the problem.

So when I use her, I use her powers sparingly, and gave her the mitigation abilities along the way. After all, I don't need to use psyker powers on rabble that falls to Argenta anyway.

On a sidenote: Argenta is a monster since she became an arch-militant and got a good bolter. The versatility buff brings her hit chance up to 95%, removing her biggest problem.

[rman88]

Side note out of the 5 battles i played. 2 she died instnatly. and 1 she summoned a blood letter and didn't die. so their is around a 60% chance for one ot appear.

As mind you every time she uses a psionic abuiltie. That happens, Meaning i can't use her to buff up my party. I can't use her to deal damage. I can't use her to do anything outside of operator.

And at this point why would i want to use her. Instead of the tech prist. who is not only a tank with decent range damage. But also can buff the entire party. Without the risk of losing a party member to a bad die roll?

[Tea Lady]

Origineel geplaatst door Alt:

Origineel geplaatst door rman88:

so in other words. They made a useless companion. as why in gods name would you ever want to use her. When she can actively screw yourself over?

Good job devs.

Because playing the game with veil degradation is a valid thing to do? 3 of her specific talents buff her if you have more than 10/15 veil degradation. She is essentially a wild mage from dnd. She is powerfull, but at the cost of random things happen. Those things could be small, or insane stuff liek summoning bloodletters. I find this part is fun and not game breaking at all. Even on unfair. I just roll with it and kill every demon she summons. But when she dont, oh god she is the most powerful psyker on my team.

I agree, plus With Cassia you can make the veil pretty easy to control so if you properly layer actions its almost never a problem barring Idira keeping it interesting.

[Alt]

Origineel geplaatst door Morgian:

On the other hand she is a powerful psychic with useful abilities. From my own observation the 5% are somewhat skewed. I never had any mishap from using Forewarning and the other divination buff. Maybe just the luck of the dice, but I got the impression that debuffs and attacks are the problem.

Noticed same stuff. She is very versitile. You can play her as a nuker and say ♥♥♥♥ to veil degradation and demons. Just keep her always around someone who is tanky. So that if she did summon something nasty other character could take it on themselves.

Other way to play her is give her sniper rifle and lean on her divination + operative skillset. And use her staves and teleapthic powers only when nessesary. If you afraid of summoning demons.
Either way is a valid way to play her. Personally she is a permanent member of my team, even on Unfair.

[rman88]

Ya somehow i doubt it. As how is that interesting? Do you really just want to fight the battle again. because like i said before. You cannot rely on her like any other character. She is a ticking time bomb and she can explode at any point. Meaning o look Game over you lose because you accidental summoned a greater demon trying to give your tank 10% extra doge. On turn one because the game decided nope.

This is a horrible mechanic as it dose not even matter about the veil. Nope that mechanic really has nothing to do with this entire thing. IT is that stupid debuff that makes her the worst character. Because any character that can just cause a TPK. Is a terrible character.

[Cutlass Jack]

I've had almost no issues with her. Her ability to cancel ambush rounds and extra psy point have completely outweighed her downsides for me. And I've only had her summon a demon once on me. I've never had anything bad happen when she was buffing.

The other random stuff she can trigger isn't a big deal and she can learn talents/wear gear to offset that stuff.

Your mileage may vary. Don't use her if you don't like her.

[iFrame]

120HP is nothing. Unfair difficulty, Forge Fiend encounter right at the start of Act 2, Idira can get over 200 Willpower & Toughness. She'll have freaking high HP and can hit 130-150 dmg on the Bloodletters. With her Psychic Shriek, you don't have to worry about resistance, dodge, armor. Its flat out busted dmg. Forge Fiend on Unfair has 400hp, she 3 shots him. I had a Bloodletter and a Screamer spawn in and still managed to pull through. By the end of the fight, i was nearing 300 Willpower while Cassia was over 300. She's OP as hell.

[Trip]

You don't get bonus XP for the stuff she summons.

If you don't mind being forced to save scum she isn't bad. If you just roll with the punches in combat she is annoying AF. If you build your party so strong to one shot whatever she summons, then you know how to build any other party member to be just as good as her without her downside.

Worst companion.

[Ivas]

I just started the 2 act. At this point she summoned 2 daemons, which were killed instantly, and killed herself once. Yes, it's a bit risky and I always keep in mind that it can happen, but she is too good to drop her

[Batailleuse]

Origineel geplaatst door rman88:

so in other words. They made a useless companion. as why in gods name would you ever want to use her. When she can actively screw yourself over?

Good job devs.

she is far ... very far from useless.

i played in Hard on my first run with her from start to end of act 4... where i got hard stuck because of no triggers to progress further.

early ... yeah annoying when demon pops, or she instantly kills herself, that is however pretty rare.

even now on my next run, not abusing Exploits or Leadership/tactician BS... i still play with her on my team and she poses no problem, if demon pop, it's manageable. if she dies.. might suck but usually manageable,

[Raskol]

She's just unpredictable, not useless. I find Idira pretty powerful. There are two other psykers you get in chapter 1, who are sanctioned and so arent unpredictable. For an unsanctioned psyker you just need to be prepared to expect the unexpected - but in my games I've hardly used Idira because of what skills I need in my other companions.

[Sin317]

On Unfair difficulty, Idira f'ing up means basically a sure wipe is coming. I.e. when she summons a Daemon in the middle of your party, anyways.

[Dinvan]

Every one complaining about veil degradation and im over here trying to cause as many perils of the warp as i can to trigger the +1 pr for each perils lol.

PR to damage items go brrrrrr

[The Seventh Son]

I've noticed Heretic stuff gets better with veil degradation. I'm planning to do a Heretic run after my paladin run and I suspect Heretics eventually make allies out of the demons, and she goes from a potential risk to a potential demon summoner. Obviously I can't know for sure yet, but the lore has been pretty accurate so far, and if I'm really going heretic then I'm allying myself with chaos, and at some point demons would start working with me rather than against me. Especially a heretic with so much power and ability to ♥♥♥♥ over the Imperium in the Koronus Expanse.

It would also make the veil degradation buffs make more sense.