Companion Thoughts (Spoilers)

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Would have been far more interesting to have Achilleas as a companion over Marazhai.

At least Achilleas is repentant, where as Marazhai is just a C*n* to you the whole game.

[Steel]

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Marazhai is fine but after the first warp jump I handed him over the Heinrix. I was willing to overlook a couple of murders.... Slaanesh is eating your soul I get it. But he slaughtered that entire deck basically and as a captain it did not feel good overlooking THAT much blatent murder of my crew.

This always strikes me as odd. People are so quick to dismiss a Xenos who fell prey to a Dark God but honestly, specially Heinrix should keep his mouth shut in that situation. He tortures in ways that would make Marazhai faint from ecstasy, his first solution to everything slightly heretic is "orbital blast" while dipping hard into heresy himself (but BEHOLD someone else than him does it!) and that all while clear minded.
Argenta killed someone innocent who simply was a witness to her crimes - while being clear minded.
Our innocent little Navigator girl, praise be, accidentally makes people claw their eyes out or jump laughing into ventilators or kill each other simply because she has "mood swings".

Nah, I didn't and won't dismiss Yrliet because she's interesting and genuinely repentent about her mistake. Marazhai on the other hand, you have plenty of lore reasons to dispose of, and tbf I was still gonna keep him but, the slaughter on the deck in conjunction with him bugging out made me get rid of him.

The others you mentioned typically have scenes where you can encourage or tone down said traits. Heinrix was gonna prologue something's suffering for info but I convinced him not to.

Maybe Marazhai does too but, until he gets a spirit stone he's always gonna have to feed himself on suffering, and I just don't vibe with that.

[Daliena]

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Marazhai is fine but after the first warp jump I handed him over the Heinrix. I was willing to overlook a couple of murders.... Slaanesh is eating your soul I get it. But he slaughtered that entire deck basically and as a captain it did not feel good overlooking THAT much blatent murder of my crew.

This always strikes me as odd. People are so quick to dismiss a Xenos who fell prey to a Dark God but honestly, specially Heinrix should keep his mouth shut in that situation. He tortures in ways that would make Marazhai faint from ecstasy, his first solution to everything slightly heretic is "orbital blast" while dipping hard into heresy himself (but BEHOLD someone else than him does it!) and that all while clear minded.
Argenta killed someone innocent who simply was a witness to her crimes - while being clear minded.
Our innocent little Navigator girl, praise be, accidentally makes people claw their eyes out or jump laughing into ventilators or kill each other simply because she has "mood swings".

Abelard has no problem with ordering mass executions to "maintain order" (while seemingly being impervious to suggestions that attempting such brutal rule is only leading to more discontent brewing among the menials who end up feeling that they've got nothing left to lose)

Idira gets high and calls up daemons which butcher and possess people

Ulfar has moments of struggling with the Curse of the Wulfen

But Marazhai is a meanie alien, so him we throw out the airlock? SMH. Y'all would need to dispose of basically every single one of your companions except MAYBE Pasqal and Jae (because Pasqal will complain - loudly and repeatedly - but to my knowledge never actually acts on such impulses, and Jae I just don't really know at all because I never used her) with this sort of logic

[Solomon Kane]

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Your own Enforcers kill more on the Ship then Maraz ever could.

Uh no, I handled that worker strike without killing anyone.

Worker Strikes, like these happen dayly on the Ship, and Abelard told you, they do not bother informing you, your ship has around 30.000+ people on board and you solved 1 Deck with maybe 100 yourself, seems you have no idea how things go on a ship like these.

To think only because you are not informed, that everything is disney on the ship is a mistake, especially if you know the Lore.

Also, it is stated that Maraz gets to hunt only the rule breakers as they get tossed into his hunting section of the ship, guess what, those rule breakers would get killed anyways by your enforcers.

[treahnurb]

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Marazhai is fine but after the first warp jump I handed him over the Heinrix. I was willing to overlook a couple of murders.... Slaanesh is eating your soul I get it. But he slaughtered that entire deck basically and as a captain it did not feel good overlooking THAT much blatent murder of my crew.

Yeah, it wasn't great, I'll say. Still, killing him wasn't bringing the crew back, so I just made it clear that he'd be locked in a chamber, alone, every time we were in the Warp, with no opportunity to go killing.

My friends laughed when I showed them Marazhai's response to that.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333776858493747223/1186207010090385448/image.png

that's interesting. Can you also go from there and get his romance started? I gave him hunting grounds and my crew uses those to disperse of rule breakers, lol.

[Daliena]

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

Yeah, it wasn't great, I'll say. Still, killing him wasn't bringing the crew back, so I just made it clear that he'd be locked in a chamber, alone, every time we were in the Warp, with no opportunity to go killing.

My friends laughed when I showed them Marazhai's response to that.. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333776858493747223/1186207010090385448/image.png

that's interesting. Can you also go from there and get his romance started? I gave him hunting grounds and my crew uses those to disperse of rule breakers, lol.

I don't know, I got a bit defeated by Quetza Temer in act 4 after that and decided to sit back and wait for some patches and contemplate what to do next.

The implication from his response would be that it might be the start to Marazhai the Pet instead of Marazhai the Owner vis-a-vis romance, though.

[treahnurb]

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

This always strikes me as odd. People are so quick to dismiss a Xenos who fell prey to a Dark God but honestly, specially Heinrix should keep his mouth shut in that situation. He tortures in ways that would make Marazhai faint from ecstasy, his first solution to everything slightly heretic is "orbital blast" while dipping hard into heresy himself (but BEHOLD someone else than him does it!) and that all while clear minded.
Argenta killed someone innocent who simply was a witness to her crimes - while being clear minded.
Our innocent little Navigator girl, praise be, accidentally makes people claw their eyes out or jump laughing into ventilators or kill each other simply because she has "mood swings".

Abelard has no problem with ordering mass executions to "maintain order" (while seemingly being impervious to suggestions that attempting such brutal rule is only leading to more discontent brewing among the menials who end up feeling that they've got nothing left to lose)

Idira gets high and calls up daemons which butcher and possess people

Ulfar has moments of struggling with the Curse of the Wulfen

But Marazhai is a meanie alien, so him we throw out the airlock? SMH. Y'all would need to dispose of basically every single one of your companions except MAYBE Pasqal and Jae (because Pasqal will complain - loudly and repeatedly - but to my knowledge never actually acts on such impulses, and Jae I just don't really know at all because I never used her) with this sort of logic

Oh yeah, add those to my list. And Jae probably only has really "innocent" crimes on her back, smugglery, trading with Xeno artifacts. Pasqal... I think I didn't witness him actually doing these things but it is stated more than once that he knows a thing about torture to get information and some instruments on his mecha arms are meant for flesh beings and not sacred machines...

[treahnurb]

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

that's interesting. Can you also go from there and get his romance started? I gave him hunting grounds and my crew uses those to disperse of rule breakers, lol.

I don't know, I got a bit defeated by Quetza Temer in act 4 after that and decided to sit back and wait for some patches and contemplate what to do next.

The implication from his response would be that it might be the start to Marazhai the Pet instead of Marazhai the Owner vis-a-vis romance, though.

Yeah that was my thought exactly! Oh well if I had known... welp, I am the pet now, why not.

[Steel]

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Uh no, I handled that worker strike without killing anyone.

Worker Strikes, like these happen dayly on the Ship, and Abelard told you, they do not bother informing you, your ship has around 30.000+ people on board and you solved 1 Deck with maybe 100 yourself, seems you have no idea how things go on a ship like these.

To think only because you are not informed, that everything is disney on the ship is a mistake, especially if you know the Lore.

Also, it is stated that Maraz gets to hunt only the rule breakers as they get tossed into his hunting section of the ship, guess what, those rule breakers would get killed anyways by your enforcers.

It's the precedent said event established, in said dialogue with Abelard afterwords (when he's pissed at you) you can defend yourself by and your methods by stating clearly changes will be made.

No, I don't think we resolve every single incident on the ship, that is naive. It's also equally naive to assume that nothing changed from said incident in a role playing game. That Abelard wouldn't change his methods after said event to prevent you from getting involved in the first place after saying he would, or that the enforcers didn't change, or the policies. Because what would be the point of the event in the first place if nothing changed? You have to assume because its show don't tell. And you want to know what the game showed me? My crew loves me and gave me a big useless device in the bridge to gawk at. Seems like you don't know basic story-telling, or imagination. Not everything needs an epilogue or to be stated constantly to be true or false. You can infer situations from narrative clues.

[Daliena]

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Oh yeah, add those to my list. And Jae probably only has really "innocent" crimes on her back, smugglery, trading with Xeno artifacts. Pasqal... I think I didn't witness him actually doing these things but it is stated more than once that he knows a thing about torture to get information and some instruments on his mecha arms are meant for flesh beings and not sacred machines...

In Pasqal's defense - and I may be (/am) biased because I like him - there are Tech-Priests who make it their business to know the human body inside and out - and some even branch out into study of xenobiology, and one of his unique origin talents is a medical mechadendrite. He may well take a doctor's view on it that he knows where the most unpleasant spots to get stabbed are because he has an encyclopedic knowledge of human anatomy.

[atmahatia]

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Origineel geplaatst door Steel:

Marazhai is fine but after the first warp jump I handed him over the Heinrix. I was willing to overlook a couple of murders.... Slaanesh is eating your soul I get it. But he slaughtered that entire deck basically and as a captain it did not feel good overlooking THAT much blatent murder of my crew.

This always strikes me as odd. People are so quick to dismiss a Xenos who fell prey to a Dark God but honestly, specially Heinrix should keep his mouth shut in that situation. He tortures in ways that would make Marazhai faint from ecstasy, his first solution to everything slightly heretic is "orbital blast" while dipping hard into heresy himself (but BEHOLD someone else than him does it!) and that all while clear minded.
Argenta killed someone innocent who simply was a witness to her crimes - while being clear minded.
Our innocent little Navigator girl, praise be, accidentally makes people claw their eyes out or jump laughing into ventilators or kill each other simply because she has "mood swings".

In one of the dialogues with him, he notes this hypocrisy.
I will also add that it would be interesting to see statistics on how many players from those who killed Marzipan or did not initially recruit him, took into the party, for example, Zevran from DAO (for those who suddenly don’t know, he is a assassin who was sent for MC’s head, and after failure he promises that he won’t try again)...

[treahnurb]

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

Oh yeah, add those to my list. And Jae probably only has really "innocent" crimes on her back, smugglery, trading with Xeno artifacts. Pasqal... I think I didn't witness him actually doing these things but it is stated more than once that he knows a thing about torture to get information and some instruments on his mecha arms are meant for flesh beings and not sacred machines...

In Pasqal's defense - and I may be (/am) biased because I like him - there are Tech-Priests who make it their business to know the human body inside and out - and some even branch out into study of xenobiology, and one of his unique origin talents is a medical mechadendrite. He may well take a doctor's view on it that he knows where the most unpleasant spots to get stabbed are because he has an encyclopedic knowledge of human anatomy.

Oh I love Pasqal too. I just wanted to say he also might not be... the most innocent. However so far he only used it for intimidation and never acted on it. Pasqal best boi anyway.

[treahnurb]

Origineel geplaatst door atmahatia:

Origineel geplaatst door treahnurb:

This always strikes me as odd. People are so quick to dismiss a Xenos who fell prey to a Dark God but honestly, specially Heinrix should keep his mouth shut in that situation. He tortures in ways that would make Marazhai faint from ecstasy, his first solution to everything slightly heretic is "orbital blast" while dipping hard into heresy himself (but BEHOLD someone else than him does it!) and that all while clear minded.
Argenta killed someone innocent who simply was a witness to her crimes - while being clear minded.
Our innocent little Navigator girl, praise be, accidentally makes people claw their eyes out or jump laughing into ventilators or kill each other simply because she has "mood swings".

In one of the dialogues with him, he notes this hypocrisy.
I will also add that it would be interesting to see statistics on how many players from those who killed Marzipan or did not initially recruit him, took into the party, for example, Zevran from DAO (for those who suddenly don’t know, he is a assassin who was sent for MC’s head, and after failure he promises that he won’t try again)...

As someone who genuinly hates Zevran and kill him off anytime I have to say I feared Marazhai would be another Zevran/Astarion but THANKFULLY he's not.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Origineel geplaatst door Daliena:

I'm not entirely sure Achilleas Scalander (the Inquisition informant on Dargonus for any who forget) was ever much of a fighter, and almost certainly wasn't much of one after he started needing an inhaler from the stress of conversation due to his prior injuries, nevermind what getting into a fight would do to him.

As for Marazhai, recruiting him made a certain level of sense at the time. You ain't friends, oh Warp no, but you do have a common goal. Escape the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that is that section of Commorragh, and kill the people responsible for both of you being made into slaves in the Dark City.

The Dark Eldar are sadistic bastards, but they aren't (all) completely insane. It's in Marazhai's rational interest to work with you, because he needs you a lot more than you need him, so he'll play ball for a time. Once you're out of Commorragh, then bets are off, as they always are dealing with Dark Eldar once it becomes more suitable to them to stab you than talk to you because things like loyalty and morality are alien concepts to them, but hey. Right then and there, he's an extra pair of blades to shove into the people responsible for you both being in a bad spot.

And afterwards.. Well, while he does take some work to get him housetrained, he's interesting to keep around, I feel.

The reason I bring up Achilleas as a companion option is due to what happens to him in Act 3 if you got that far.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Killing Marazhai and ripping out his nerve fibers does wonders for his disposition. He hasn't said a singe rude thing to me since.

[Daliena]

Origineel geplaatst door Tech-Priest:

The reason I bring up Achilleas as a companion option is due to what happens to him in Act 3 if you got that far.

Honestly, the last I recall hearing of Achilleas, in act 3, is that Yrliet claims to have caught him on the phone with the Dark Eldar and shot him prior to your trip to Commorragh, since according to her, his torture during the assault on Dargonus broke him and he ended up collaborating with them.