Profit Factor Reductions are Permanent?

[LethalMaxim]

Is PF loss permanent? I hired a Mercenary and now I cant even dismiss it. Thats a minus 1. Later I realized a I screwed up some of the character builds after finding it impossible to beat the first Chaos Marine and decided to reset them, but now that also removes PF? Thats a load of BS.

Seriously thinking of restarting or not playing till its fixed. You should be able to dismiss the mercenaries and you should not have to loose PF for resetting your character lvls.

[clegane]

Yes, permanent. Except that there are many many ways to get more PF.

PF is just money, with an extra side benefit that it also lets you access/purchase higher quality gear.

Surely you've noticed that unlike every single other cRPG ever, there is no finite currency.
You never spend 'petty cash' on anything. It's all rolled into PF which represents both buying power and pocket money to buy gear that you qualify for. It's why you can just take every single item for 'free' whenever you unlock a merchant's rep tier.

Respeccing (past the first few free ones) and hiring/training mercenaries instead of using story NPCs are meant to have a cost. There is no 'money' so that cost is PF. Yes, the PF loss is permanent just like spending gold in other games is permanent. But just like getting gold in other games, you can take actions and do things that increase your PF again.

It isn't something that is going to get 'fixed' because it is a deliberate, intentional design decision. It represents spending wealth on assets that have no defined financial return, like re-training your men or paying heavy signup fees for mercenary officers and trained psykers, etc.

[Batailleuse]

dont worry too much, in act 4 i'm at 147 PF ... nothing in the game even costs that much. so you can spend early if you want, just dont get blasting 40+PF ...

[Morgian]

clegane said it. PF is currency and you can spend it, and also gain more of it. You can have way more PF than any merchant requires and if we knew a hard number we would know how much we can spend and still get all items we want.

I personally do not respec, but if I want to model something specific for the last chapter I might spend my PF then. I did restart after chapter 1 instead, when I decided I really don't like the pyro or the operative as my main :)

[Rogal Dorn]

Yeah PF loss for respec and mercenaries makes zero logical sense, it's clearly meant to be a punishment for something (respec) and I'm not sure why there's a cost for mercenaries.

[FinaL]

Originally posted by Rogal Dorn:

Yeah PF loss for respec and mercenaries makes zero logical sense, it's clearly meant to be a punishment for something (respec) and I'm not sure why there's a cost for mercenaries.

I just found out. I already wondered why Mercs don't cost anything (There is no explaination or hint to this when you want to recruit one....)

[Cutlass Jack]

You will get more profit factor than you ever need. Spending a point on a merc is no big deal. But yeah they should have been clearer about the cost. Since you can get a merc before you even learn about the profit system.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

PF is really nothing to worry about if you are losing a few points to Mercs and respecs.
I am just starting act 4 and even with losing a few PF I am already on 140.
I think the max needed is 160, a few colony projects will get me over the line with ease and then a huge amount to spare.

Remember plus 5 PF in colony projects on colonies with 10 complacency actually nets you plus 10.
By the time you finish almost all colonies will have 10 complacency and the lvl 4 and 5 projects are very profitable.

Reputation not PF is you limiting factor.

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by Batailleuse:

dont worry too much, in act 4 i'm at 147 PF ... nothing in the game even costs that much. so you can spend early if you want, just dont get blasting 40+PF ...

Still in Act 2 and I have 107 PF.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originally posted by Sparhawk122:

Originally posted by Batailleuse:

dont worry too much, in act 4 i'm at 147 PF ... nothing in the game even costs that much. so you can spend early if you want, just dont get blasting 40+PF ...

Still in Act 2 and I have 107 PF.

Lol you will be fine then, you have not even got to colony projects rank 4 and 5.

My only tip is focus on reputation, especially in the vendors you wish to focus on.
You cannot max them all, but you can max a few.