heresy is way too unrealistic. No way you could get away with it

[VladK02]

During the electro-priest monastery, one of the dialogue lines is...
(heresy +3 or whatever) Back away from the console Aurora, im our new masters' favorite !!!

And Inquisitor's acolyte goes "Interesting choice of words"

Bruh. Thats not an "interesting choice of words". That's a bolt pistol to the temple right then and there. From the inquisitor boy, from the sister, from the not one but TWO psykers that can see literally everything youre doing, like stealing sword shards, making pacts with the warp... What kind of Emperor's servants are you lot?? Im balls-deep in chaos, right in plain sight!

I fully expected to have to kill the inquisitor boy in the temple. But no, he let it go. (At least, for now).

I feel that heresy in the game is too obvious, at least in chapter 1.

The Dogmatic choices of comedic 'execute everything and everyone for any slight whatsoever just because - then execute some more" - thats 40k staple, sure. Thats well done.

But heresy? Meh...

And if the Theodora or whatever, the original captain, was also a heretic - which she was, according to the xenos loot stash in her ship - then why are her (and now mine) companions not heretics?? Irida is just cool with witnessing chaos corruption everywhere and not speaking up? And same with the navigator chick?

[Innominatam]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

It's a video game they made slight compromises to make it work.

40k always has problems like this, The warrant of trade was signed by the Emperor himself, I believe. Not all warrants of trades are, and each warrant generally has its own conditions and powers based on many details.

These aren't just mass printed papers that someone signs to make legal.

RT are generally allowed to mess with heretical stuff if they warrant permits it long as they do not cross a redline.

Which is subjective to each warrant, as the players warrant was signed by the Emperor. That offers a ton of crazy protection, as going against the warrant would be seen as going against a direct order of the Emperor not even Inquisitors in that case can just do as they please against an RT with such a warrant as in the Imperium the Empire's will is the foremost authority and is second to none and if you ARE going to oppose that will.

You better have a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL GOOD excuse and Evidence and it needs to through proper channels. Becuase otherwise, you will be executed inquisitor or not

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

It's a video game they made slight compromises to make it work.

40k always has problems like this, The warrant of trade was signed by the Emperor himself, I believe. Not all warrants of trades are, and each warrant generally has its own conditions and powers based on many details.

These aren't just mass printed papers that someone signs to make legal.

RT are generally allowed to mess with heretical stuff if they warrant permits it long as they do not cross a redline.

Which is subjective to each warrant, as the players warrant was signed by the Emperor. That offers a ton of crazy protection, as going against the warrant would be seen as going against a direct order of the Emperor not even Inquisitors in that case can just do as they please against an RT with such a warrant as in the Imperium the Empire's will is the foremost authority and is second to none and if you ARE going to oppose that will.

You better have a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL GOOD excuse and Evidence and it needs to through proper channels.

See inquisition is not exactly known for its restraint.

If inquisitor stepped out of line, the typical thing would be to introduce some agents to sabotage the plasma reactor onboard the ship and both rogue trader and warrant would be gone from the world and nobody would care whether the warrant allowed for any kind of heresy or not.

Thats all ofc without mentioning that no rogue trader will just show anyone their warrant of trade since its pretty "whoever have the ticket" kind of scenario and not even inquisitors are beyond installing a puppet rogue trader.

[Myth Alric]

I think it is more likely the inquisitor would find an heir who is more 'suited' to the role to take over, than blowing up the warrant.

[Innominatam]

Wrong anything the Emperor touches if considered scared and holy so destroying it would piss lots of people off and cause lots of murder, you do not understand the imperium well at all to be making these statements.

Inquisitors are generally smart and know what they can and cannot get away with, this is 40k you do not reach that position by being a total fool. Yeah there is some examples of fools but that's not the norm.

To be clear both Heinrix and his boss could be legally killed by the RT long as he showed they acted with evidence and tried to take matter into their own hands. Which GENERALLY inquisitors can and are ALLOWED to but when it comes to the Emperors will, they do not get that power. There are only a handful of things in the Imperium, that can block inquisitors and thats one of them

[XartaX]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

It's a video game they made slight compromises to make it work.

40k always has problems like this, The warrant of trade was signed by the Emperor himself, I believe. Not all warrants of trades are, and each warrant generally has its own conditions and powers based on many details.

These aren't just mass printed papers that someone signs to make legal.

RT are generally allowed to mess with heretical stuff if they warrant permits it long as they do not cross a redline.

Which is subjective to each warrant, as the players warrant was signed by the Emperor. That offers a ton of crazy protection, as going against the warrant would be seen as going against a direct order of the Emperor not even Inquisitors in that case can just do as they please against an RT with such a warrant as in the Imperium the Empire's will is the foremost authority and is second to none and if you ARE going to oppose that will.

You better have a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL GOOD excuse and Evidence and it needs to through proper channels.

See inquisition is not exactly known for its restraint.

If inquisitor stepped out of line, the typical thing would be to introduce some agents to sabotage the plasma reactor onboard the ship and both rogue trader and warrant would be gone from the world and nobody would care whether the warrant allowed for any kind of heresy or not.

Thats all ofc without mentioning that no rogue trader will just show anyone their warrant of trade since its pretty "whoever have the ticket" kind of scenario and not even inquisitors are beyond installing a puppet rogue trader.

They could certainly try. But they're more likely to just "go missing" and the RT insisting they never even made it aboard.

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Myth Alric:

I think it is more likely the inquisitor would find an heir who is more 'suited' to the role to take over, than blowing up the warrant.

That entirely depends on how bad situation got. Couple of forbidden tomes, trying to hide an insignificant colony from imperium, getting eldar harem, these might get you replaced.

Chaos ritual on upper decks, open piracy, trying to establish personal empire, thats what gets dynasties ended.

[Innominatam]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Myth Alric:

I think it is more likely the inquisitor would find an heir who is more 'suited' to the role to take over, than blowing up the warrant.

Thats an automatic execution no questions, asked. the warrant is signed by the emperor, you touch that. They will take your head and everyones head who has ever worked closely with you.

I am starting to see a lot of people here do not understand the nuances of the Imperium and how it works

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af XartaX:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

See inquisition is not exactly known for its restraint.

If inquisitor stepped out of line, the typical thing would be to introduce some agents to sabotage the plasma reactor onboard the ship and both rogue trader and warrant would be gone from the world and nobody would care whether the warrant allowed for any kind of heresy or not.

Thats all ofc without mentioning that no rogue trader will just show anyone their warrant of trade since its pretty "whoever have the ticket" kind of scenario and not even inquisitors are beyond installing a puppet rogue trader.

They could certainly try. But they're more likely to just "go missing" and the RT insisting they never even made it aboard.

umm how would rt know, i mean look at the beginning of the game, how easy it is to smuggle 20 people onto lower decks even with weapons among 26.000 or even more with bigger ships which are just not available in the game.

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Myth Alric:

I think it is more likely the inquisitor would find an heir who is more 'suited' to the role to take over, than blowing up the warrant.

Thats an automatic execution no questions, asked. the warrant is signed by the emperor, you touch that. They will take your head and everyones head who has ever worked closely with you.

I am starting to see a lot of people here do not understand the nuances of the Imperium and how it works

No that happened, multiple times, whoever possesses a warrant is considered legitimate rogue trader.
Thats why its sitting in the vault, deep in the ship.

[XartaX]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af XartaX:

They could certainly try. But they're more likely to just "go missing" and the RT insisting they never even made it aboard.

umm how would rt know, i mean look at the beginning of the game, how easy it is to smuggle 20 people onto lower decks even with weapons among 26.000 or even more with bigger ships which are just not available in the game.

Good luck getting anywhere remotely close to the reactor as an apparent nobody on the lower decks.

[Innominatam]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

No that happened, multiple times, whoever possesses a warrant is considered legitimate rogue trader.

Yes against people with warrants who weren't signed by the Emperor, again warrant of trade is a blanket term.

Who signed it? high lords if so yeah Inquisitors can generally get away with doing what they want there.

Emperor? not so much. A lot more red tape involved, again not every warrant is signed by the Emperor in fact in lore there is only a few they are and the owners can pretty much do what they please long as they don't go past hard redlines.

Heck and when rumors a warrant of trade that was signed by the Emperor was hidden some place in lore, some people gave everything they had looking for it due to the immense power it grants you.

A warrant signed by the Emperor is super super super super super rare but if you have one, you well can pretty much give everyone the finger.

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af XartaX:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

umm how would rt know, i mean look at the beginning of the game, how easy it is to smuggle 20 people onto lower decks even with weapons among 26.000 or even more with bigger ships which are just not available in the game.

Good luck getting anywhere remotely close to the reactor as an apparent nobody on the lower decks.

Yeah absolutely, who do you think actually fetches the fuel and cleans the bloody thing.

Hell in rogue trader rpg there was even story of inquisition introducing a single assassin to sabotage life support leaving a hulk drifting.

[XartaX]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

No that happened, multiple times, whoever possesses a warrant is considered legitimate rogue trader.

Yes against people with warrants who weren't signed by the Emperor, again warrant of trade is a blanket term.

Who signed it? high lords if so yeah Inquisitors can generally get away with doing what they want there.

Emperor? not so much. A lot more red tape involved, again not every warrant is signed by the Emperor in fact in lore there is only a few they are and the owners can pretty much do what they please long as they don't go past hard redlines.

A warrant signed by the Emperor is super super super super super rare but if you have one, you well can pretty much give everyone the finger.

To put into perspective how insanely powerful OG Rogue Traders are. During the Horus Heresy, a Rogue trader turned up at a battle between Perturabo (the Primarch) and a loyalist legion. They had no idea what was going on (astartes fighting each other) and basically just went "♥♥♥♥ it" and attacked both legions.

[XartaX]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af XartaX:

Good luck getting anywhere remotely close to the reactor as an apparent nobody on the lower decks.

Yeah absolutely, who do you think actually fetches the fuel and cleans the bloody thing.

Hell in rogue trader rpg there was even story of inquisition introducing a single assassin to sabotage life support leaving a hulk drifting.

Tech priests and servitors. Some nameless refugee on the lower decks will certainly not be let anywhere close to a critical component of the capital ship of a RT lol.

[Voodoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af E.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Voodoo:

No that happened, multiple times, whoever possesses a warrant is considered legitimate rogue trader.

Yes against people with warrants who weren't signed by the Emperor, again warrant of trade is a blanket term.

Who signed it? high lords if so yeah Inquisitors can generally get away with doing what they want there.

Emperor? not so much. A lot more red tape involved, again not every warrant is signed by the Emperor in fact in lore there is only a few they are and the owners can pretty much do what they please long as they don't go past hard redlines.

A warrant signed by the Emperor is super super super super super rare but if you have one, you well can pretty much give everyone the finger.

Originally all warrants were signed by the emperor, in last 11000 years it became a bit more difficult to do so, but literally it makes no difference to inquisition and imperium, you have a warrant youre rogue trader, nobody is even gonna bother to check if youre in any way related to last rogue trader and attempting to do would be affront to rogue trader, not to mentiion how many of bastard rogue trader children there are.