heresy is way too unrealistic. No way you could get away with it

[VladK02]

During the electro-priest monastery, one of the dialogue lines is...
(heresy +3 or whatever) Back away from the console Aurora, im our new masters' favorite !!!

And Inquisitor's acolyte goes "Interesting choice of words"

Bruh. Thats not an "interesting choice of words". That's a bolt pistol to the temple right then and there. From the inquisitor boy, from the sister, from the not one but TWO psykers that can see literally everything youre doing, like stealing sword shards, making pacts with the warp... What kind of Emperor's servants are you lot?? Im balls-deep in chaos, right in plain sight!

I fully expected to have to kill the inquisitor boy in the temple. But no, he let it go. (At least, for now).

I feel that heresy in the game is too obvious, at least in chapter 1.

The Dogmatic choices of comedic 'execute everything and everyone for any slight whatsoever just because - then execute some more" - thats 40k staple, sure. Thats well done.

But heresy? Meh...

And if the Theodora or whatever, the original captain, was also a heretic - which she was, according to the xenos loot stash in her ship - then why are her (and now mine) companions not heretics?? Irida is just cool with witnessing chaos corruption everywhere and not speaking up? And same with the navigator chick?

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Well argue with owlcat cause thats exactly what they put into game...

No, they did not, the Inquisitor threatens, for this is what the Inquisition does to get their will, they threatened Roboute Guilliman as well, he told them to ♥♥♥♥ off pretty much, you what what they did then, NOTHING, so how is it in the game? Does the Allmighty inquisitor send Armies against you? No, he just threatens the rogue trader, expecting that he caves in.
Ulf and his Brothers actually tell the Rogue Trader that the Inquisition tried several times to brand the Space Wolves as Heretics, threateiing their chapter and whatnot, which alwways backfired.

What will he do, march into your palace again and shoot you on the spot if not personally then with one of acolytes or agents.

Another option is infiltrating your crew, in the game alone chaos did multiple times and dark eldar at least once.

[Solomon Kane]

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

No, they did not, the Inquisitor threatens, for this is what the Inquisition does to get their will, they threatened Roboute Guilliman as well, he told them to ♥♥♥♥ off pretty much, you what what they did then, NOTHING, so how is it in the game? Does the Allmighty inquisitor send Armies against you? No, he just threatens the rogue trader, expecting that he caves in.
Ulf and his Brothers actually tell the Rogue Trader that the Inquisition tried several times to brand the Space Wolves as Heretics, threateiing their chapter and whatnot, which alwways backfired.

What will he do, march into your palace again and shoot you on the spot.

Doubtful, the Inquisition is very good in projecting power, to threaten people, but actually acting upon those threat they do not, differetnt story for some no name person, but nah, they could send assasins maybe, but nothing big officialy really, especially without clear proof, lol, they love to say, they can order Astartes too, but if you ask any Astartes, as in Ulf in the game, they tell you, they request, would never dare to order directly.

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

What will he do, march into your palace again and shoot you on the spot.

Doubtful, the Inquisition is very good in projecting power, to threaten people, but actually acting upon those threat they do not, differetnt story for some no name person, but nah, they could send assasins maybe, but nothing big officialy really, especially without clear proof, lol, they love to say, they can order Astartes too, but if you ask any Astartes, as in Ulf in the game, they tell you, they request, would never dare to order directly.

Inquisition does what they feel is necessary, if lord inquisitor have to show up in your quarters he will(like in game), if he have to force interrogator into cew he will(like in game), if he feels like you would be more inclined to work harder for a bribe he will bribe you.
Inquisition job is to make sure that no heresy spreads and that imperium is able to run as smoothly as possible not to kill people willy nilly.

Inquisition generally will ask loyal astartes, most are so overly fond of themselves that this simple gesture is enough to get their cooperation, once this no longer works they will demand(as with space wolves on armaggedon), threaten(space wolves and relictors), go to war with them(space wolves) or just outright wipe them off(relictor. flame falcons, celestial lions)

Inquisitor also have to take into considerations matter of expediency, is it worth condeming entire dark angels chapter because they went awol during vraks? generally no, they had long loyal service this simple matter can be overlooked, because alternative is ridding imperium of potent fighting force. Send a demand to bring some of their brothers to deathwatch where you will have more direct control over them and where you can udnermine them better in front of other astartes.

Furthermore, you say they cant do anything but inquisitorial rosette will override access to any cogitator produced in imperium, they have entire mechanicum producing backdoors for them...

[XartaX]

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Doubtful, the Inquisition is very good in projecting power, to threaten people, but actually acting upon those threat they do not, differetnt story for some no name person, but nah, they could send assasins maybe, but nothing big officialy really, especially without clear proof, lol, they love to say, they can order Astartes too, but if you ask any Astartes, as in Ulf in the game, they tell you, they request, would never dare to order directly.

Inquisition does what they feel is necessary, if lord inquisitor have to show up in your quarters he will(like in game), if he have to force interrogator into cew he will(like in game), if he feels like you would be more inclined to work harder for a bribe he will bribe you.

Inquisition generally will ask loyal astartes, most are so overly fond of themselves that this simple gesture is enough to get their cooperation, once this no longer works they will demand(as with space wolves on armaggedon), threaten(space wolves and relictors), go to war with them(space wolves) or just outright wipe them off(relictor. flame falcons, celestial lions)

Inquisitor also have to take into considerations matter of expediency, is it worth condeming entire dark angels chapter because they went awol during vraks? generally no, they had long loyal service this simple matter can be overlooked, because alternative is ridding imperium of potent fighting force. Send a demand to bring some of their brothers to deathwatch where you will have more direct control over them.

Furthermore, you say they cant do anything but inquisitorial rosette will override access to any cogitator produced in imperium, they have entire mechanicum producing backdoors for them...

Lord Inquisitor, Chapter Master, Rogue Trader, etc. These are at the same level by default.

Newer Rogue Trader dynasties without Emperor written writs probably have more restrictions in their warrant and thus have less power, or are at least more constrained by the conditions in them.

Besides that, it's basically just all about the power and influence about the individuals because they are at the same level in the hierarchy.

The PC RT is also extremely new and inexperienced. You technically have the clout to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off if he's overstepping himself, but you're still pretty much a greenhorn. Theodora was also a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ RT considering how all of her dominion is falling apart at the seams, which left you as the PC without the ideal power base to really oppose anyone at the top.

[Solomon Kane]

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Doubtful, the Inquisition is very good in projecting power, to threaten people, but actually acting upon those threat they do not, differetnt story for some no name person, but nah, they could send assasins maybe, but nothing big officialy really, especially without clear proof, lol, they love to say, they can order Astartes too, but if you ask any Astartes, as in Ulf in the game, they tell you, they request, would never dare to order directly.

Inquisition does what they feel is necessary, if lord inquisitor have to show up in your quarters he will(like in game), if he have to force interrogator into cew he will(like in game), if he feels like you would be more inclined to work harder for a bribe he will bribe you.
Inquisition job is to make sure that no heresy spreads and that imperium is able to run as smoothly as possible not to kill people willy nilly.

Inquisition generally will ask loyal astartes, most are so overly fond of themselves that this simple gesture is enough to get their cooperation, once this no longer works they will demand(as with space wolves on armaggedon), threaten(space wolves and relictors), go to war with them(space wolves) or just outright wipe them off(relictor. flame falcons, celestial lions)

Inquisitor also have to take into considerations matter of expediency, is it worth condeming entire dark angels chapter because they went awol during vraks? generally no, they had long loyal service this simple matter can be overlooked, because alternative is ridding imperium of potent fighting force. Send a demand to bring some of their brothers to deathwatch where you will have more direct control over them and where you can udnermine them better in front of other astartes.

Furthermore, you say they cant do anything but inquisitorial rosette will override access to any cogitator produced in imperium, they have entire mechanicum producing backdoors for them...

Not quite

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door XartaX:

Lord Inquisitor, Chapter Master, Rogue Trader, etc. These are at the same level by default.

Newer Rogue Trader dynasties without Emperor written writs probably have more restrictions in their warrant and thus have less power, or are at least more constrained by the conditions in them.

Besides that, it's basically just all about the power and influence about the individuals because they are at the same level in the hierarchy.

The PC RT is also extremely new and inexperienced. You technically have the clout to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off if he's overstepping himself, but you're still pretty much a greenhorn. Theodora was also a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ RT considering how all of her dominion is falling apart at the seams, which left you as the PC without the ideal power base to really oppose anyone at the top.

Chapter master can request a hit on anyone in imperium? can chapter master demand service of sororitas, deathwatch or grey knights? can chapter master forge any identity they want and have it be confirmed by all authority? can they just wave their chapter symbol and gain access to any computer in imperium?

Ask the same of rogue trader.

Then are even those equal? is your oc rogue trader from rpg as powerful as winterscales?
Is Calgar or Shrike equal to any chapter masters of cursed founding?
Even in simple scenario of one word against another winterscales and original chapter will be held above others.

Marines dont have any money yet they are given equipment by forgeworlds, rogue trader have to pay for everything they get.
Marines have to merely request a planet be given to them and if possible they will be granted recruiting world. Rogue trader have to conquer and establish them thesmelves, paying for everything from people and their transport to machinery to get colony going.

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door Solomon Kane:

Not quite

Even look at merely eisenhorn and ravenor novels, how often do they tell you mere wave of rosette would grant them access to anything they would need but its simply more beneficial to use resources they have if for no other reason that because it doesnt announce inquisitor presence.

Hell eisenhorn first "ethical" problem is mercy killing a suffering woman, he feels his duty is to leave her suffering cause that would lead to planet authorities possibly arresting him, he mentions that they woulld be forced to release him after confirming his idntity but it would cost him too much time.

[Jaeger]

To be fair, the Inquisition isn't in a strong position in the expanse. It's relatively wild and untamed frontier region thick with pirates and cold traders operating openly, and has recently suffered Warp surges that make travel within and between it and the Imperium's core even more difficult than usual.

It's definitely a place where people who aren't Astartes or high ranking officials can get away with responding "You and what army?" to Inquisition demands for the foreseeable future.

Also, while I'm not sure if the game touches on it later, I doubt the other Rogue Traders in the region will be thrilled if the Inquisition were to off the PC and their dynasty without absolutely undeniable evidence that they're starting a Chaos-fueled crusade or selling literally everyone else out to the Dark Eldar. We might be rivals, but it sets a bad precedent for their power base if an Inquisitor is allowed to topple a dynasty over charges that could just view as a grab for power.

[SunfireKnight86]

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Origineel geplaatst door XartaX:

Lord Inquisitor, Chapter Master, Rogue Trader, etc. These are at the same level by default.

Newer Rogue Trader dynasties without Emperor written writs probably have more restrictions in their warrant and thus have less power, or are at least more constrained by the conditions in them.

Besides that, it's basically just all about the power and influence about the individuals because they are at the same level in the hierarchy.

The PC RT is also extremely new and inexperienced. You technically have the clout to tell him to ♥♥♥♥ off if he's overstepping himself, but you're still pretty much a greenhorn. Theodora was also a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥ RT considering how all of her dominion is falling apart at the seams, which left you as the PC without the ideal power base to really oppose anyone at the top.

Chapter master can request a hit on anyone in imperium? can chapter master demand service of sororitas, deathwatch or grey knights? can chapter master forge any identity they want and have it be confirmed by all authority? can they just wave their chapter symbol and gain access to any computer in imperium?

Ask the same of rogue trader.

Then are even those equal? is your oc rogue trader from rpg as powerful as winterscales?
Is Calgar or Shrike equal to any chapter masters of cursed founding?
Even in simple scenario of one word against another winterscales and original chapter will be held above others.

Marines dont have any money yet they are given equipment by forgeworlds, rogue trader have to pay for everything they get.
Marines have to merely request a planet be given to them and if possible they will be granted recruiting world. Rogue trader have to conquer and establish them thesmelves, paying for everything from people and their transport to machinery to get colony going.

Outside of the borders of the Imperium an Inquisitor has about as much power as they can bully up. A Rogue Trader has worlds of wealthy, a small empire of their own. It's all about where you are. On Terra an Inquisitor mine as well be everyone's boss, but you can't even see Terra from where we're standing, soooo....

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door Jaeger:

To be fair, the Inquisition isn't in a strong position in the expanse. It's relatively wild and untamed frontier region thick with pirates and cold traders operating openly, and has recently suffered Warp surges that make travel within and between it and the Imperium's core even more difficult than usual.

It's definitely a place where people who aren't Astartes or high ranking officials can get away with responding "You and what army?" to Inquisition demands for the foreseeable future.

Also, while I'm not sure if the game touches on it later, I doubt the other Rogue Traders in the region will be thrilled if the Inquisition were to off the PC and their dynasty without absolutely undeniable evidence that they're starting a Chaos-fueled crusade or selling literally everyone else out to the Dark Eldar. We might be rivals, but it sets a bad precedent for their power base if an Inquisitor is allowed to topple a dynasty over charges that could just view as a grab for power.

Oh i absolutely agree, these people in general dont operate in imperium and almost certainly wont overtake any planets and stop imperium from functioning, it would be ideal to get rid of them but there are more pressing problems pretty much all the time.

Expediency once again.

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door SunfireKnight86:

Outside of the borders of the Imperium an Inquisitor has about as much power as they can bully up. A Rogue Trader has worlds of wealthy, a small empire of their own. It's all about where you are. On Terra an Inquisitor mine as well be everyone's boss, but you can't even see Terra from where we're standing, soooo....

Thats why warrant is written that way,all it takes is to nudge administratum ahead to expand borders of imperium, then all those wealthy worlds are part of imperium and no longer property of rogue trader and even while outside of imperium rogue trader is required to pay tithe.

Even original rogue traders had merely a temporary ownership and as soon as horus fleet rolled behind them they ceased worlds to imeproum.

[Grim47]

It's only really unrealistic if you have the inquisitor interrogator in your party. Everyone else is corruptible.

[Solomon Kane]

I wanna see an Inquisitor trying some ♥♥♥♥ on Terra against a High Lord of Terra, or even an Custodes, such Inquisitors Head would be send to back to the Inquisition with an actual Threat that has meaning.

[Voodoo]

Origineel geplaatst door DarkSoul:

It's only really unrealistic if you have the inquisitor interrogator in your party. Everyone else is corruptible.

Thats the problem with sister, shes not.

Hell ill spoil some, later in the game you find out that its argentia who killed theodora, she marched into her quarters to protect her and noticed rogue trader fiddling with smaller version of those heretical lens in rykard system, she shot her and arch militant, but felt bad about shooting arch militant.

[SunfireKnight86]

Origineel geplaatst door Voodoo:

Origineel geplaatst door SunfireKnight86:

Outside of the borders of the Imperium an Inquisitor has about as much power as they can bully up. A Rogue Trader has worlds of wealthy, a small empire of their own. It's all about where you are. On Terra an Inquisitor mine as well be everyone's boss, but you can't even see Terra from where we're standing, soooo....

Thats why warrant is written that way,all it takes is to nudge administratum ahead to expand borders of imperium, then all those wealthy worlds are part of imperium and no longer property of rogue trader.

Even original rogue traders had merely a temporary position and as soon as horus fleet rolled behind them they ceased worlds to imeproum.

That's exactly how I play it. Everything is "Fore the Emperor!" to a large degree because that's how a loyal citizen who was elevated to that position would behave. It might fudge the bounds of whats allowed IN the empire, but it's all FOR the empire.

We know it'll be a long time before the expanse gets annexed, but the characters don't know everything we know, and I like to play it like that. They might guess and live like kings, but I always treat it like "daddy might be home soon."