heresy is way too unrealistic. No way you could get away with it

[VladK02]

During the electro-priest monastery, one of the dialogue lines is...
(heresy +3 or whatever) Back away from the console Aurora, im our new masters' favorite !!!

And Inquisitor's acolyte goes "Interesting choice of words"

Bruh. Thats not an "interesting choice of words". That's a bolt pistol to the temple right then and there. From the inquisitor boy, from the sister, from the not one but TWO psykers that can see literally everything youre doing, like stealing sword shards, making pacts with the warp... What kind of Emperor's servants are you lot?? Im balls-deep in chaos, right in plain sight!

I fully expected to have to kill the inquisitor boy in the temple. But no, he let it go. (At least, for now).

I feel that heresy in the game is too obvious, at least in chapter 1.

The Dogmatic choices of comedic 'execute everything and everyone for any slight whatsoever just because - then execute some more" - thats 40k staple, sure. Thats well done.

But heresy? Meh...

And if the Theodora or whatever, the original captain, was also a heretic - which she was, according to the xenos loot stash in her ship - then why are her (and now mine) companions not heretics?? Irida is just cool with witnessing chaos corruption everywhere and not speaking up? And same with the navigator chick?

[Innominatam]

The Imperial Guard isn't subservient, neither is the church, NO FACTION within the Imperium is.

The Inquisition is merely granted power to strike down Heresy where they find it in the Emperor name. THAT IS ALL, they can request assists etc.

Against someone who is on their tier they cannot legally act without first proving their case, against lower tier plebs they an do what they want sure, because they know generally they can get away with it.

But the second they try to mess with someone in equal or higher standing they can put in their place or killed and have regularly in lore, you dont know jack about the lore your copying and pasting information from wikis.

Inquisitors have been killed for trying to act how you say they can against people on their level

You are lying soooooo bad its funny, or your just do delusional is getting really sad how are you are clinging to your fallacies.

[Innominatam]

Also if an inquisitor tried to force in his will on space marines he would be killed on the spot and again this happens a lot lol,

Ain't no inquisitor going to attempt to board a spacemarine vessel and tell them how its going to go.

and the Imperial navy cannot dictate orders to spacemarine fleets, they do not have that power at all PERIOD.

You are straight up making up BS now

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

The Imperial Guard isn't subservient, neither is the church, NO FACTION within the Imperium is.

The Inquisition is merely granted power to strike down Heresy where they find it. THAT IS ALL, they can request assists etc.

Against someone who is on their tier they cannot legally act, against lower tier plebs they an do what they want sure, because they know generally they can get away with it.

But the second they try to mess with someone in equal or higher standing they can put in their place or killed.

You are lying soooooo bad its funny

HIgh lords of terra write orders for guard...they are directly responsible for approving crusades and military campaigns, subservient to them senate imperialis and adeptus administratum handle more mundane things like regiment tithe, troop deployements, logistics through their respective subservients.

Inquisitor have authority to demand anything from anyone short of their fellow inquisitors.
If inquisitor so wishes even high lords of terra are required to comply with their request if possible.
Their authority is absolute.

[Loquitran]

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Also if an inquisitor tried to force in his will on space marines he would be killed on the spot and again this happens a lot lol,

Ain't no inquisitor going to attempt to board a spacemarine vessel and tell them how its going to go.

and the Imperial navy cannot dictate orders to spacemarine fleets, they do not have that power at all PERIOD.

You are straight up making up BS now

Did you played Warhammer 40k Inquisitor: Martyr ? RIght at the start, your character, an Inquisitor, gets kinda pissed with a Space Marine that is kinda bossing him around.

Is that inaccurate then?

I'm honestly asking because I don't know the lore.

[Innominatam]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

The Imperial Guard isn't subservient, neither is the church, NO FACTION within the Imperium is.

The Inquisition is merely granted power to strike down Heresy where they find it. THAT IS ALL, they can request assists etc.

Against someone who is on their tier they cannot legally act, against lower tier plebs they an do what they want sure, because they know generally they can get away with it.

But the second they try to mess with someone in equal or higher standing they can put in their place or killed.

You are lying soooooo bad its funny

HIgh lords of terra write orders for guard...they are directly responsible for approving crusades and military campaigns, subservient to them senate imperialis and adeptus administratum handle more mundane things like regiment tithe, troop deployements, logistics through their respective subservients.

Inquisitor have authority to demand anything from anyone short of their fellow inquisitors.
If inquisitor so wishes even high lords of terra are required to comply with their request if possible.
Their authority is absolute.

Their authority is not absolute, and you are legit dumb...The high lords never had to do anything for the Inquisition

Guess who is the current head of the Imperium, Gullie. And he has told the Inquisition very point blank "f off you have no power here" and guess what they ran away like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they know they cannot order ♥♥♥♥.

The only reason people comply is because of fear, no one is actually obligated in high ranking circles to do anything for them.

You are a liar and delusional, trying to tell me the Inquisition can order Gulliemon around xD

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

HIgh lords of terra write orders for guard...they are directly responsible for approving crusades and military campaigns, subservient to them senate imperialis and adeptus administratum handle more mundane things like regiment tithe, troop deployements, logistics through their respective subservients.

Inquisitor have authority to demand anything from anyone short of their fellow inquisitors.
If inquisitor so wishes even high lords of terra are required to comply with their request if possible.
Their authority is absolute.

Their authority is not absolute, and you are legit dumb...The high lords never had to do anything for the Inquisition

Guess who is the current head of the Imperium, Gullie. And he has told the Inquisition very point blank "f off you have no power here" and guess what they ran away like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because they know they cannot order ♥♥♥♥.

The only reason people comply is because of fear, no one is actually obligated in high ranking circles to do anything for them.

You are a liar and delusional, trying to tell me the Inquisition can order Gulliemon around xD

Oh yeah im aware of 8th edition retcons, believe you me i know.
Same edition which declared black templars are codex complaint and cawl who made 100's of thousands of marines by the end of m32 while fixing all their flaws and nobody noticed, also made ai which doesnt rebel and after witnessing it guilliman just starts suspecting cawl might be tech heretic.
Also retconned sisters lore, apparently frateris templars were never disbanded despite clear order to not have men under arms...
Yeah im sorry im gonna ignore 8th edition forward cause lore is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥.


lets see, space marine, inquisition outright strolls in and arrests titus.
Eisenhorn xenos, where protagonist request help from marine chapter.
Dawn of war where gabriel angelos is again ordered by inquisition.
Deathwatch demanded space wolves send their troops to them and continues to do so with many chapters.
First war for armaggedon, inquisition delcared entire population of planet to be tainted.
Celestial lions where inquisitor took offense to afforementioned chapter sending complaints against him and orchestrated number of "accidents" to punish them thats after he requested their help and despite their effort decided to exterminatus the planet.
Firehawks who were ordered excommunicatis traitoris after inquisitor witnessed them be set on fire, this was never rolled back btw...
Ordo malleus purging navigator houses.

Must i continue?

[Rajil]

my fav fandom in the world. you guys never disappoint

[Innominatam]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Loquitran:

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

Also if an inquisitor tried to force in his will on space marines he would be killed on the spot and again this happens a lot lol,

Ain't no inquisitor going to attempt to board a spacemarine vessel and tell them how its going to go.

and the Imperial navy cannot dictate orders to spacemarine fleets, they do not have that power at all PERIOD.

You are straight up making up BS now

Did you played Warhammer 40k Inquisitor: Martyr ? RIght at the start, your character, an Inquisitor, gets kinda pissed with a Space Marine that is kinda bossing him around.

Is that inaccurate then?

I'm honestly asking because I don't know the lore.

There are specific cases where an Inquisitor can boss a SM around but has mostly to do with deathwatch etc and other unique cases.

In general no Inquisitor can ever tell the Astrates what the deal is. The chapters govern themselves and if someone tries to come over and impose their will and make orders they do not take kindly do that and again Inquisitors have been killed by spacemarines for trying that.

Because spacemarines aren't some lowly guard commander. Spacemarines only answer t their chapter master and no one else unless again where you have a specific case where a marine was told by his CM to operate under the Inquisitors banner.

[Innominatam]

Your misrepresenting the facts with your little lies. Its getting REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY BAD now

Yes the Inquisition can brand someone a heretic but that doesn't make them heretics.

Fiehawks for example, while branded by some inquisitor weren't seen as Heretics by the Imperium just because some Inquisitor brand you something that doesn't make you guilty at all.

Again you a LEGIT LIAR.

Every example you are giving is a misrepresentation of the facts and manipulation to try and win your constant stream of BS

[Voodoo]

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Because spacemarines aren't some lowly guard commander. Spacemarines only answer t their chapter master and no one else unless again where you have a specific case where a marine was told by his CM to operate under the Inquisitors banner.

Except its strictly inquisition decree that each chapter have to send samples of their geneseed to mars for testing...

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters_(List)

[Innominatam]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

Because spacemarines aren't some lowly guard commander. Spacemarines only answer t their chapter master and no one else unless again where you have a specific case where a marine was told by his CM to operate under the Inquisitors banner.

Except its strictly inquisition decree that each chapter have to send samples of their geneseed to mars for testing...

https://warhammer40kfanon.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters
also list of chapters declared traitor by order of the inquisition.

Guess what liar, many do not do that because they do not HAVE TOOOOOO.

Oh that explains why you don't know jack about the lore, your qouting the wiki WHICH is HORRIABLY INACCURATE,

The inqusitiors for example in lore have tried to label the Space Wolves as Heretics.

Keep making an utter fool of yourself.

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Voodoo:

Except its strictly inquisition decree that each chapter have to send samples of their geneseed to mars for testing...

https://warhammer40kfanon.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters
also list of chapters declared traitor by order of the inquisition.

Guess what liar, many do not do that because they do not HAVE TOOOOOO.

Oh that explains why you don't know jack about the lore, your qouting the wiki WHICH is HORRIABLY INACCURATE,

The inqusitiors for example in lore have tried to label the Space Wolves as Heretics.

Keep making an utter fool of yourself.

Youre right about the wiki, it was my mistake.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters_(List)
this is the actual list, with sources, edited old post.

it was also mistake, it was not firehawks it was flame falcons, also my bad.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flame_Falcons

Yeah they did, they still do infact, chapters have to comply with inquisitor, but method of compliance is up to interpreation.
See space wolves sending company of neophytes to deatwhatch.

Also to quote dh2e

"Inquisitors are a class apart from humanity in every sense
of the word. The Inquisition itself is answerable to no authority
other than the Emperor, and even the High Lords of Terra
fear an Inquisitor’s scrutiny. The Inquisition does not even exist
as an institution, rather as a collection of individuals tasked
with a mission and possessed of the will and the authority
to see it through. They are independent agents with few
practical limitations to their power, and no concern other than
the continued existence of Mankind. There are no limits to an
Inquisitor’s remit and no boundaries to his jurisdiction. Should
he deem it necessary, an Inquisitor could cast his eye across the
entire Imperium in search of foes and conduct operations that
take him from one end of the galaxy to the other. "

[Innominatam]

My god....you ACTUALLY got something right.

The flame falcons in this had mutated and been corrupted due to it, thus the Grey Knights where called in to handle the matter,...

Do you know they called the Gray Knights? because they are best kitted to deal with mutant psyker types and once the Grey Knights arrived they felt it and wasted no time getting the job done.

STILL in this example the Inquisitor merely made a call to higher powers who checked his claim and verified it then stomped it out.

They just didn't do "oh well if you say so boss"



"Inquisitors are a class apart from humanity in every sense
of the word. The Inquisition itself is answerable to no authority
other than the Emperor, and even the High Lords of Terra
fear an Inquisitor’s scrutiny. The Inquisition does not even exist
as an institution, rather as a collection of individuals tasked
with a mission and possessed of the will and the authority
to see it through. They are independent agents with few
practical limitations to their power, and no concern other than
the continued existence of Mankind. There are no limits to an
Inquisitor’s remit and no boundaries to his jurisdiction. Should
he deem it necessary, an Inquisitor could cast his eye across the
entire Imperium in search of foes and conduct operations that
take him from one end of the galaxy to the other. "

This has been retconned. You aren't even qouting canon information anymore.

In current lore, the Inquisition doesn't have the power you claim you are basically using non-cannon material now.

So yeah a liar

[Tozobi]

There's been walls of text debating all sorts of lore and information, but I think the point the OP was making was just....nuance. Or lack thereof. The problem is not about dabbling with heretical items, it is the actual words being used if you choose to do so in some cases.

Making use of dubious items or alliances is one thing, having the character say "I am working for the forces of chaos and am their favourite" is meme material. You'd at least expect some buildup before you get to that point. Even if you would get to that point due to various choices, you would not be advertising from the get go.
It is actually far easier to justify (and write about) questionable decisions precisely because of the setting and title of the main character. Dogmatic and Iconoclast options generally make sense in context. You could call edgelord material or naive respectively, but they're well written. The heretical ones where a great opportunity to present why someone would ever opt for them, but are frequently - though not always - cartoon villain stuff.

[Voodoo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av E.:

My god....you ACTUALLY got something right.

The flame falcons in this had mutated and been corrupted due to it, thus the Grey Knights where called in to handle the matter,...

Do you know they called the Gray Knights? because they are best kitted to deal with mutant psyker types and once the Grey Knights arrived they felt it and wasted no time getting the job done.

STILL in this example the Inquisitor merely made a call to higher powers who checked his claim and verified it then stomped it out.

They just didn't do "oh well if you say so boss"

Grey knights were already present, flame falcons called ordo malleus to deal with psykers and ordo malleus brought grey knights for cmpaign.. Otherwise whatever forces would be available would be used instead.

As for authority

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame

i dunno, lord inquisitor felt he had authority to deal with both civiliians, guardsmen and space wolves.
It took time and destruction of multiple worlds before any inquisitor actually even started questioning lord inquisitor giving orders, not because space wovles but because of the extent of collateral losses.

because again citing dh2e.
"To accomplish this aim,
many Inquisitors quite willingly sacrifice the past and the present.
Some care nothing for existing structures and institutions, even
those that have stood since the dawn of the Age of Imperium,
regarding all human achievement as transitory. To them, no
sacrifice today is too great if it ensures there is a tomorrow, even
if when that tomorrow comes, still more sacrifices must be made.
Here lies the heart of the matter, for to make such grave decisions,
an Inquisitor must be entirely inured to the suffering of countless
innocents, as well as certain that from that anguish some benefit
will emerge. Even as he sets in motion acts that will lead to the
death of entire worlds, an Inquisitor must know that in doing
so he averts some far worse future calamity."