Sword Class Frigates are small

[O'Connell]

Being a rogue trader I am going to need an upgrade for a flag ship. At least a Lunar cruiser like the legendary Lord Admiral Spire. Taking a lone sword class frigate through the void should terrify everyone.

[dq_177]

If we're not going to have a fleet to control and the game is going to make us fight multiple enemy ships by ourselves we should have had a bigger flagship.

[Harukage]

*cought* Winterscale literally has a grand cruiser as a flagship *cought*
Why we are stuck with an escort ship, yet are constantly tasked with fighting hordes of enemy ships, including heavier classes is beyond my understanding. it breaks all immersion.

[Cassilda]

I was also hoping for an opportunity to get a larger ship. The Von Valancius sure seem to talk big game for a dynasty who apparently only own a single sword class frigate.

Rogue traders ships may be heavily customized and non standard, but a frigate is still a frigate and stand no real chance in space battle beyond skirmishes againts comparable ships.

Of course the acquisition of a new flagship is no small endeavor. It can be a whole adventure in and of itself to salvage an ancient ship full of strange archeo-tech. I sure hope future expansions will let us do just that.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by dq_177:

If we're not going to have a fleet to control and the game is going to make us fight multiple enemy ships by ourselves we should have had a bigger flagship.

Well you get another sword class frigate as colony project later.

Sword class frigate with only one dorsal weapon and seemingly no void shields, 100 hp which respawns if destroyed and is unable to be modified.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daliena:

And as mentioned elsewhere, Calligos Winterscale literally has a Grand Cruiser (which is to say, a step ABOVE a battlecruiser I believe?) as his flagship.

Yup its bigger than battlecruiser but smaller than battleship and battleships are rare even for navy and sm equivalent battle barge is equally rare among marines.

What grand cruisers however have as their quirk is that imperium lost technology to produce them.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Quintus_Fontane:

The largest ships I've fought against so far have been cruisers, and even though our rugged flagship is HEAVILY modified, I did have to suspend my disbelief a little when I solo'd a chaos cruiser and its five escorts with just a sword frigate. I mean I get that this is 40k and we're on a big power trip here, but this IS just a frigate, and three minutes ago I was just a commissar in the Imperial Guard, not an admiral.

To be fair, its loosely based on tabletop rpg.

Ive had encounters where i won against grand cruisers in my tiny frigate but then again i also had the best pilot and gunner in the imperium...

Well what i find horribly funny is how many pirates are there for those who dont know battlefleet calixis only counts about 40 ships including escorts and apparently any human pirates just rock 2-3 destroyers, thats more firepower than upstart rogue trader and virtually any planet defences.

[just.dont.do.it]

The only reason for a bigger flagship (aside being pompous or outright way too trigger-happy like Winterscale) is to use it to fight something. And there aren't really any targets in the expanse that warrants using specifically a cruiser against them.

Y'all are handling space battles just fine with a frigate - well, a frigate is enough then.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by just.dont.do.it:

The only reason for a bigger flagship (aside being pompous or outright way too trigger-happy like Winterscale) is to use it to fight something. And there aren't really any targets in the expanse that warrants using specifically a cruiser against them.

Y'all are handling space battles just fine with a frigate - well, a frigate is enough then.

I mean if you play longer youll have to fight off dark eldar invasion against 2 cruisers, a system swarming with dark eldar again which is a fight against 12 or 14 of their ships and a couple of other crusier fights.
Thats merely act 2...

[Ostoia]

Originally posted by just.dont.do.it:

The only reason for a bigger flagship (aside being pompous or outright way too trigger-happy like Winterscale) is to use it to fight something. And there aren't really any targets in the expanse that warrants using specifically a cruiser against them.

Y'all are handling space battles just fine with a frigate - well, a frigate is enough then.

There are plenty of cruisers along with smaller escorts to fight. In lore they would mop up one, even supped up, frigate. The ship we get should definitely have been a cruiser instead of a frigate. Someone messed up when they made this decision during the development, because there is no real reason why it could not be a cruiser. Change the weapon placement a bit, change the model and you have yourself a cruiser.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Ostoia:

Originally posted by just.dont.do.it:

The only reason for a bigger flagship (aside being pompous or outright way too trigger-happy like Winterscale) is to use it to fight something. And there aren't really any targets in the expanse that warrants using specifically a cruiser against them.

Y'all are handling space battles just fine with a frigate - well, a frigate is enough then.

There are plenty of cruisers along with smaller escorts to fight. In lore they would mop up one, even supped up, frigate. The ship we get should definitely have been a cruiser instead of a frigate. Someone messed up when they made this decision during the development, because there is no real reason why it could not be a cruiser. Change the weapon placement a bit, change the model and you have yourself a cruiser.

Honestly it is about as armed as some light crusiers. Its also not sword class but modified firestorm class.

Finally i think the intention was at some point to upgrade it but it was scaled back.

[Kadaeux]

Originally posted by just.dont.do.it:

The only reason for a bigger flagship (aside being pompous or outright way too trigger-happy like Winterscale) is to use it to fight something. And there aren't really any targets in the expanse that warrants using specifically a cruiser against them.

Y'all are handling space battles just fine with a frigate - well, a frigate is enough then.

A: You're a Rogue Trader who is Winterscales equal. A Frigate is about as likely to be their flagship as a US Admiral is commanding from a rowboat.

B: It's not any kind of legitimate frigate. They've tossed all the rules on how ships work.

NO Frigate, Sword or otherwise, has two broadside mounts, a dorsal and prow mount. None. And literally no ship has two prow mounts.

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

I won't lie it was really disappointing when I got to act 3 and it doesn't seem like we can get a higher class ship in the game. I was hoping for a Light Cruiser or Cruiser class vessel at least so I could have multiple bays for a carrier build.

Then again, for some unknown reason they made the only craft bay a dorsal mount instead of a broadside mount.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

Then again, for some unknown reason they made the only craft bay a dorsal mount instead of a broadside mount.

Wait wait wait, theres attack craft bay? and its a dorsal mount? what? you need cruiser to even run a carrier and then its only broadsides.

[Kadaeux]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

Then again, for some unknown reason they made the only craft bay a dorsal mount instead of a broadside mount.

Wait wait wait, theres attack craft bay? and its a dorsal mount? what? you need cruiser to even run a carrier and then its only broadsides.

This isn't quite true. There are improvised craft bays Transports can get.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Kadaeux:

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Wait wait wait, theres attack craft bay? and its a dorsal mount? what? you need cruiser to even run a carrier and then its only broadsides.

This isn't quite true. There are improvised craft bays Transports can get.

Transports are usually as big as cruisers ;/