Lore 'hiccups'

[Guy Inkognito]

Having read a majority of available 40k books I notice that there are several issues that make me question who actually consulted Owlcat lorewise. For instance:
- A navigator is probably the most important person on a void ship for it would be literally stranded without one. They hardly ever leave their domain onboard the ship. To risk them on missions would be unthinkable.
- Terminology:
Heinrix is explaining that an inquisitors entourage is NOT called 'retinue' but 'adepts'. Only that in every book featuring the inquisition it is called 'retinue'...
'Technomat' is a term I've never seen. Usually the lower-than-magos mechanicus are called tech-adepts. There may be variations between forge worlds but this would be universally adequate.
- Equipped my Argenta with a sniper rifle. Ever seen a sniping sororitas? I think not. :P

There surely are more to come given I only reached chapter two.

[Daemeous]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

If it was supposed to be godwyn deaz it should be slimmer, shorter in both height and length and should almost certainly have fleur de lys on it or possibly inquisitorial eye.
Their magazines are also see through unlike marine bolters which are covered.

Also if sister allowed her weapon to fall into such state of disrepair as described in the game she would be directed to her sister superior to receive discipline.

Again, you're not wrong but you're preaching to the ministorum here. Granted, she's unaware of presence of any other Sister in the expanse. So the state of her sacred weapon could simply be another reason she didn't want to return home...

My comment was more about the sheer riduculousness of having the larger calibre Heavy Bolter rounds be weaker than every other smaller calibre Bolt weapon I've come across so far though...

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Daemeous:

My comment was more about the sheer riduculousness of having the larger calibre Heavy Bolter rounds be weaker than every other smaller calibre Bolt weapon I've come across so far though...

yeah i get that, it only loosely follows tabletop and they did plenty of their own balancing.
Its a compromise to keep lasguns, autoguns and even flamers viable instead of better bolters plasma and melta and to actually keep heavy weapons in check.
If it followed ttrpg lets be honest, everyone in party would rock autocannon with single person carrying lascannon in case of deamon engine/vehicle/greater deamon.

[Voodoo]

Another weird weapon i found
[Mezoa Pattern] Hexrifle
So forgeworld Mezoa produces dark eldar weapons? really?

[LaggyLagg]

Originally posted by Emperor Fooble:

There are millions (actually given the scale of 40k, probably billions) of Inquisitors from every possible culture and background.
Calling their buddies by another name isn't exactly a big deal, especially when 'adepts' actually make up the bulk of their retinue, crew and personal armies.

Technomat; again do you understand the scale of the Mechanicus?
There are so many ranks and status positions, and these change from forge world to forge world, or even from ship to ship or base to base.
The exact rank structure on one planet isn't copy + pasted across a million worlds.

An issue with a Sororitas using a sniper rifle...really? At this point I'm beginning to think you haven't read books and instead stick to fanfiction about big tiddy Eldar gf's.

having read the majority of big tiddy dark eldar gf fanfics, I can absolutely concur.

[HuffingJenkem]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Another weird weapon i found
[Mezoa Pattern] Hexrifle
So forgeworld Mezoa produces dark eldar weapons? really?

I think the patterns were originally intended as the TTRPG's Craftmanship descriptor,and they did a hasty find-replace at some point.

[Ostoia]

No game ever gets it all correct, also the problem that even the lore contradicts itself. So meh. GW have stated that all books are basically from biased perspective and therefore can contradict each other. So just assume that the game is also from a biased perspective. Perfect example is that a lone frigate should not be able to beat a chaos cruiser with additional escort destroyers. But here we are. Same goes for weapon damage, how things look etc. All in all, it is good enough to pass mostly lore accurate warhammer game.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by Ostoia:

So meh. GW have stated that all books are basically from biased perspective and therefore can contradict each other.

Well see, thats a copout, they dont want to bother controlling every writter so they just handwave it.
This is especially bad with 8e onward and age of sigmar where they outright given up on idea of actually tracking anything, in the past authors at least had to keep track of time and forces, they did pretty good job but problems happened.

In fact im gonna say, 40k is more internally consistent than star trek or star wars.

[rasabt]

ofcourse it's kinda jarring that you can date and possible "more" with a Navigator, but frankly this is 40K
the moment you start any sort of discussion with complaints about a game not beeing lore chorus enough you should end it;
you think Warhammer Space Marine is lore friendly? a singel marine butchering tens of thousands of orcs, demons and traitor marines on his own, in days?
or Warhammer Inquisitor Martyr where a singel Inquisitor butchers millions even baneblades and whatnot.
and this is the case for every game ever created around an already existing IP
heck 40K lore ain't 40K lore friendly...it's kinda a running gag.
aslong as there aren't "influencers" running around ingame promiting Zara everything is fine...although even that could be explained by the Warp

Edit: let's just imgaine for a second you'd actualy bang the Navigator. Would anyone on the ship survive? The upper decks most certainly not, but perhaps some of the lower deck rabble...äh crewman

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by rasabt:

or Warhammer Inquisitor Martyr where a singel Inquisitor butchers millions even baneblades and whatnot.

See i can squint at titus murder spree its made for the sake of gameplay, but blank beams are just beyond any sanity they didnt need to do it but still did.

[HozzMidnight]

Owlcat did a fantastic job on the lore and atmosphere of 40K. IMO, the best two 40K video games have been released recently, Chaos Gate Daemonhunters and Rogue Trader. Hopefully Space Marine 2 will continue this trend.

[dgresevfan]

I just encountered the Mezoa pattern Eldar weapons.

What heresy is this?

I just saw a tech priest crying.

[anaris]

Technomats first appeared in Rogue Trader. No, not this game. No, not the roleplaying game this is based on. THE FIRST EDITION OF 40K EVER.

[anaris]

Here's a quote from lexicanum:

"There are many types of Servitor, each designed for a certain task. Typical Servitors are "Technomats" which operate and service machines, "Holomats" which act as holographic recordists, "Lexomats" which are like human computers with tremendous calculating powers, and "Drones" which are living robots - stupid and essentially mindless slaves ideal for menial work and little else.[2]"

That [2] is a link to the source, which is Realms Of Chaos: The Lost And The Damned, aka the first ever dedicated lore book. Other things introduced in Realms Of Chaos you might have heard of:

Chaos.

That's the book in which the concept of Chaos first appeared.

[anaris]

Originally posted by Voodoo:

Only major lore problem i see is Idira, a rogue psyker who openly flaunts her powers and while this is something that might happen on rogue trader ship it becomes a major problem when you have interrogator for lord inquisitor and sister of battle on board, and only after major incident do they actually think that maybe they should end the witch...

The Inquisition only has one way to enforce a law on a Rogue Trader, which is declaring them Hereticus Extremis Diabolis and setting fire to literally their entire dynasty and everything they've ever touched.

As a result, most Rogue Traders can get away with a lot before the Inquisition is willing to interfere.

[anaris]

Originally posted by I'm A Distraction!:

Honestly, the biggest lore 'don't think about it' is the ability to play as a Sanctioned Psyker Rogue Trader. For starters, I'm not certain how possible it would be for Theodora to track down a specific Sanctioned Psyker of her noble family, as my understanding was Psykers were seperated from their old lives after being taken by the black ships. I don't even know if its recorded from which family line a psyker is tithed from, and if it is, I imagine Theodora would have to have some pretty solid connection to the Adeptus Astra Telepathica to do so.

Not every sanctioned psyker goes on a blackship. They all have to end up at Terra but noble families who pull strings, people who live on Saturn or Mars, and a few other cases don't go via the blackships. Even those who do still have surnames. But also, Theodora is a Rogue Trader, and definitely does have connections to the Adeptus Astra Telepathica - she built an expert astropathic choir in a sector that doesn't have expert astropaths, remember.